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    Honeywell Controls Training

    Hello all control professional,
    I am Automation tech with 6 years of experience in distech and Inet and vista. I am starting myown controls company and looking to get trained at some of the honeywell products but cannot find any information from either google or the honeywell site.

    My questions are
    1) Does honeywell trains other contractors on their products
    2) If somebosy can sent the link will be very help

    thanks
    cheers

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    Local distributors normally

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    Hi there.

    Honeywell currently have 3 BMS product lines that they run as well as at least 3 other brands.

    Their own products are Honeywell ComfortPoint Open, Excel 5000 and Niagara.
    The "brands" are Trend, Alerton and Tridium. These 3 companies are their own organizations and Honeywell competitors but they are still just Honeywell disguise.
    I find that quite funny. Honeywell's own competition is actually themselves or buy their hardware off of HW (JCI, Distech even Siemens and Schneider to a degree). Win win.

    Anyway, available training on their own products depends on where you are and to a degree who you are.
    HW CPO is, as far as I know, a HW in house product only. This system is BACnet and is what HW now install for new projects as far as I understand.
    Their front end software package EBI is also an in house software.
    EBI's predecessor SymmetrE was not, but I don't think they run engineering courses on this anymore.
    Excel 5000 is a legacy system using the CARE engineering tool and usually CBus and Lon networks.
    This product is still around, mostly in America and some parts of Europe. HW are now moving away from this however as LON is being replaced by BACnet. The old XL front end XBS was replaced by SymmetrE and that has been replaced by EBI. EBI also works with CPO.
    The last product is Niagara. HW don't use this themselves (not in the UK anyway). This is what the partner companies install.
    As you have previously used Distech, you should already have knowledge of the Jace and the Workbench.
    In America it is called WEBs and in the EMEA region it is called COACH. (Same thing just different branding)
    This of course also works as a front end with all other HW products. They provide a CBus driver and CPO is BACnet anyway.
    As well as the Jace (or Hawk) HW do provide their own Niagara based controllers. The Spyder family (or Lynx in the EMEA) and the new EagleHawk, I think this is only available in the EMEA region though and is a direct port of the Excel Web 2 controller from CARE to COACH, and Centraline have also just released a new room controller called the Merlin. These devices are just some of their smaller CPO series controllers but 're-badged.
    If you already have a certificate in AX, it's the Spyder that you would need to get a ticket for.

    A lot of information I know. Sorry about that.
    But that should I hope help you with your quest to find relevant HW product training.

    Kind regards.

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    thanks prtadko
    man it was such useful information
    really appreciate you taking time to write all that, I have to read it numerous times to absorb all the information.

    Trying to get few more useful product servicing skills so i can keep myself busy in the Vancouver area is the point of posting the above question. Any advice?

    thanks again

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    Sorry, I am not able to help you regarding specific areas, especially in America/Canada. I am in the UK and I believe that the BMS industry works slightly differently there to here regarding partnership and licensing with manufacturers.
    If you were here, you would need to contact Honeywell and set up a partner agreement before you could attend the training courses. Get the form signed , pay the annual fee and your good to go. There are various clauses where you need to buy/sell so many controllers etc so you won't find that many systems houses here that do loads of products. Most companies will do 2 some larger firms will do 3 maybe something niche like a specialist integration platform like North or something old like Satchwell.

    With regards to your training requirements your probably looking at Niagara and the Spyder controllers.
    You may be able to get Excel 5000 training but I am not really sure if this be be of much use. It would depend on if it is still available and if there is enough of the gear in your area for you to get any work. There will of course be established firms already working that you will be trying to take business from.
    In that regard taking on a totally new (to you) system may not be the way forward for a new start business. Stick to what you know.
    As I said, you already have Distech experience so you should know your way around a Jace. If you want to use HW, and I can understand why you would as its the name/logo on the company paperwork that looks the part, then WEBs would be the way I would go. WEBs and Spyders.
    But you would need to get in contact with Honeywell to discuss the specifics.
    Or perhaps there is someone else here from your area that can help you.

    Kind regards.

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    oasys -

    You have mail.

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    So if a site has a comfort point jace with graphics I should be able to access it like niagara if I have the passwords?

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    I believe so, as long as the drivers are there and it has been set to UI+runtime. It is just a Jace. But ONLY the CPO workbench will open it. The standard COACH/WEBs versions won't. Its locked down.

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    thanks for the help bud

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    thanks bud, you are very helpful

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    Go to your local distributor and they'll set you up with WEBs, including licensing, support, etc. Be careful with Honeywell Spyders though as they've always had odd quarks with versioning and mass implementation.

    The other line you should become familiar with at the distributor level is Johnson Facility Explorer. There are less quarks than the Spyders but it requires separate software from Tridium.

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    Hello all
    this is what I found
    MOV training is the authorized training providers for the honeywell building automation products

    thanks
    AS

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    I've been to see Vern... Thumbs up for MOV training.

    Just make damn sure you're local Honeywell distributor/regional rep is reliable and knowledgeable... You're gonna need all the support you can get while you're getting up to speed.

    Also, for what it's worth... Having your field device software "unattached" to the Tridium platform(s) isn't necessarily a bad thing.

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