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    Commission This

    A commissioning I'm working on. New hotel. All heat pump splits on the first floor public areas. The pictures are exactly as they appear. And yes, these are bottom access for mechanical and air filters.

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    And those TXVs that are shoved up in there? Yup, all wrong. Not rated for reverse flow heat pump duty. So all of them are getting changed.
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    Congratulations! You passed the first test - finding the unit!

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    Well, somebody has to do it right! Good Job man!��

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    Time to break out the install manual, wrap it around a 2X4 and beat the hell out of the architect, Project Engineer & Project Manager

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    When I pointed it out to the site management nobody cared. So I literally went out, got my sawzall and inquired again with the sawzall in my hand. I said if I wasn't given access I'd have to create it myself.
    That got some attention, finally.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pecmsg View Post
    Time to break out the install manual, wrap it around a 2X4 and beat the hell out of the architect, Project Engineer & Project Manager
    should go a little farther back down the line and start with the professor's/instructors,,,,,,and let's not leave the bean counters out of the "party",,,,,, i've often wondered if requiring installers to start out as service helpers would help cut down on this kind of nonsense?
    if corny was a part on a washing machine,,, he'd be the agitator

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    welcome to my world

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    The GC should have stopped the ceiling install and regrouped.

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    I hope you're being paid for the time you'll be spending to make things right, and not just a fee.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pecmsg View Post
    Time to break out the install manual, wrap it around a 2X4 and beat the hell out of the architect, Project Engineer & Project Manager
    LOL I like this idea

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    I liked the sawzall post....

    Imagining in my mind:
    Walking up to (whomever is in charge), carrying an M18 FUEL Sawzall with about an 8" blade in it... looking at him in the eyes, holding the sawzall up so the blade points more or less up... pulling the trigger and releasing it a few times for effect...
    And saying something like: "Either you arrange access for me... or I am gonna arrange access"...
    And then just look at the guy...

    One of those moments we live for... [grin]
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    Quote Originally Posted by ga-hvac-tech View Post
    I liked the sawzall post....

    Imagining in my mind:
    Walking up to (whomever is in charge), carrying an M18 FUEL Sawzall with about an 8" blade in it... looking at him in the eyes, holding the sawzall up so the blade points more or less up... pulling the trigger and releasing it a few times for effect...
    And saying something like: "Either you arrange access for me... or I am gonna arrange access"...
    And then just look at the guy...

    One of those moments we live for... [grin]
    This is basically what happened except it was a dewalt 18V with a 12" demo blade.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kdean1 View Post

    I hope you're being paid for the time you'll be spending to make things right, and not just a fee.
    I stay far far away from billing and legal stuff.
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    As of Friday afternoon when the site closed, nobody had touched the ceiling.......
    To hell with the saw, I'm thinking the oxy torch is a more appropriate tool to use here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rider77 View Post
    As of Friday afternoon when the site closed, nobody had touched the ceiling.......
    To hell with the saw, I'm thinking the oxy torch is a more appropriate tool to use here.
    I'm getten too old for this crap

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    Many years ago we stumbled into a job similar to that. They had maybe two dozen split systems, and maybe about a half dozen had no access to the filters. Not really that new of a building, but they had certain areas that 'never' worked right. The job came by referral, they were told by another customer that we would tell them what was wrong.

    It was a chiller / boiler system, otherwise they would have certainly lost some compressors.

    The access to the filters was literally sheet rocked in. And the prior 'service' companies that had been out there apparently saw nothing wrong with that. We told them that walls needed to be cut and framed in proper with doors if they wanted to have any service on those units.

    They balked at first, saying there must be another way, or too expensive, or too messy, or whatever else they could come up with. Can't remember all of the details, but the short story is we just said something like "now you know why those areas will never heat or cool".

    Ironically, they did sign up for regular service agreement. But we'd note on the invoice that certain systems were unable to be serviced due to no access.

    If memory serves, it took something like six or eight months for them to finally give approval to do something. I think I was only involved with the first one. I just told them I was going to make a big mess and to clear everything out of the way. It was actually quite painless, and went quick. Once they saw the plugged or sucked in filters etc, and got immediate results [heat/cool], they gave approval to do the others one by one.


    Quote Originally Posted by rider77 View Post
    When I pointed it out to the site management nobody cared. So I literally went out, got my sawzall and inquired again with the sawzall in my hand. I said if I wasn't given access I'd have to create it myself.
    That got some attention, finally.

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