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    Thanks jtrammel,

    I very rarely deal with York here and only had to deal with YorkGuard once.

    The info you gave will be valuable to keep in mind.
    Can someone please explain to me -
    Why is there never enough time to do it right the first time, but plenty of time to do it twice?


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    You haven't lived until you have to fix an old DSS York RTU.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by timebuilder View Post
    You haven't lived until you have to fix an old DSS York RTU.....
    Lol. Or try to trace out a short in their RTUs. I went insane trying to find one a few years back. Thought it was the wires leading to the Condenser fan motorskills, they ran in a chase just under the top cap & were severed slightly. After a while the damned thing started tripping again. I finally traced it to a high voltage molex plug in the economizer section between the the damper & control panel. Was supposed to be for powered exhaust but they had barometric relief. Every now and again it would tap the unit's side & short out. Sneaky little b@$tard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by joemach View Post
    Thanks guys. I am not a big fan of York. And I grew up in York. Had friends that worked there. York is not what it used to be.
    The only thing good in York is Poolpak & the University. That pool is awesome.

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    Quote Originally Posted by timebuilder View Post
    You haven't lived until you have to fix an old DSS York RTU.....
    The Sunline series of RTUs are one of the biggest piles of crap to ever hit the industry. They are pretty much the worst RTU still in production, they have solved most of the stupid issues with them though. Everything else with the York/JCI badge I have no problem with. I try to stay in predator tonnage range with RTUs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jtrammel View Post
    They aren't terrible, techs just don't take the time to understand the controls.

    The Yorkguard does all kinds of things that make it more efficient than any other defrost control. Only problem is when they break they're expensive to replace. It even does dual fuel with a regular thermostat with no additional accessories (outdoor sensor). You just have to wire it up properly which no one ever does.
    Most of the problems with new equipment is training. The government pushes for more efficient equipment and that forces engineers to come up with more complicated and new technology. The biggest problem is that no one took in to account that we're short a couple hundred thousand competent technicians in this country and the majority were barely getting by on basic equipment. For guys like us, we get off on learning & seeing progress, even though there are speed bumps along the way. York has screwed me over a few times.
    The biggest was at St. Johns university with their York Ez-Zone VAV system. I had a control board fail in a vav box. Was 6yrs old. The board was no longer available & Yorks answer was to upgrade to the EZ-Zone II. This had a few minor upgrades, including an outdoor temperature sensor aND a pricetag of a couple of hundred thousand dollars JUST FOR PARTS. This was post JCI acquisition. JCI, as you know, is infamous for discontinuing parts & forcing you to upgrade. Of course they've got F-U money so they do as they please.
    From what I heard JCI is getting out of the HVAC manufacturing business & sticking with automotive & controls.
    York's technical support is great (if you know who to call) but their parts department is atrocious. I've literally given them model, serial numbers and specs on motors & they've told me to Grainger. Especially after they acquired Skymark SCAV/Water source units. They're parts department had NO idea what was in them. I had to have a meeting with my technicians and the engineer we were working with (great guy, Howard Haber EMTG) to discuss the extent of information we needed on these units when ordering parts. Generally speaking I got motors, pulleys & drives from Grainger, the controls from Johnstone & Refrigeration materials from United Refrigeration. We just refused to work with them unless it was proprietary & necessary


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    Quote Originally Posted by behappy View Post
    So true, I
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    Gotta go and make it a race thing don't ya. Lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jtrammel View Post
    The Sunline series of RTUs are one of the biggest piles of crap to ever hit the industry. They are pretty much the worst RTU still in production, they have solved most of the stupid issues with them though. Everything else with the York/JCI badge I have no problem with. I try to stay in predator tonnage range with RTUs.
    Yes...... they were nightmares. The worst part was I had a high static unit installed at a NY Sports Club in Hicksville Long Island & the curb was installed tight to the steel with extra insulation and rubber roof. I could not build a deep enough trap to overcome the static. Attempted to utilize a 1"4" PVC coupling to build a 4" PVC trap, that didn't work so I experimented with opening the economizer up to nearly 30% before it would drain correctly. Luckily the space was relatively open & I could close the rest of the fresh air dampers down to compensate for the extra ambient air. They had an indoor pool with a Dectron that was never really working correctly & the extra fresh air helped the exhaust in there big time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hedrash View Post
    Gotta go and make it a race thing don't ya. Lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by joemach View Post
    Sounds like a round about way of doing things.

    Computer circuits now controlling our equipment.

    But this makes it difficult to test aux & e-heat during maintenance if the temp is in the 50's or 60's.
    Use the York guard board as your duel fuel board. Install the optional bonnet sensor. And the York guard will start the furnace 30 seconds before the heat pump goes into defrost. So the customer doesn't get a lot of cold air blowing out before the furnace ignites its burners.

    If the heat pump has a heat call for more then 4 hours continuous, the York guard will bring on the aux heat, to protect the home/structure from freezing,

    Testing aux and or emergency heat is easy. Just jumper the aux or emergency wire at air handler that goe to W1 and or W2 in.
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    Quote Originally Posted by behappy View Post
    It took two times reading, to catch that Amos!
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    Quote Originally Posted by jtrammel View Post
    They aren't terrible, techs just don't take the time to understand the controls.

    The Yorkguard does all kinds of things that make it more efficient than any other defrost control. Only problem is when they break they're expensive to replace. It even does dual fuel with a regular thermostat with no additional accessories (outdoor sensor). You just have to wire it up properly which no one ever does.
    Yup. I really like the York controls but only people with more experience know how to use them. Everyone else installs it wrong without reading the manual and then complains when it doesn't work as intended. To bad York jacked their prices up 40% or else I would still be installing their stuff. I had to move to other suppliers after they got greedy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by James Colver View Post
    Yup. I really like the York controls but only people with more experience know how to use them. Everyone else installs it wrong without reading the manual and then complains when it doesn't work as intended. To bad York jacked their prices up 40% or else I would still be installing their stuff. I had to move to other suppliers after they got greedy.
    The LX line (mid-tier) is fairly priced. They even have a 5 stage inverter in that line. The affinity line is overpriced, we rarely use anything out of that line. Usually I get better efficiencies with LX equipment.

    We had some problems with our York distributer so we are now Coleman dealers (exact same equipment with different sticker).

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