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    It's been a month and hope you are ok and well. I researched your wealth of information and really appreciate it. I have not stopped working on the problem for over a month up until this minute. After many baking soda and vinegar treatments on the carpet, I've cut down the problem somewhat. When I would when kneel to sniff the carpet there it smelled like a smoker’s room and I don't smoke. Finally, it seems, for the most part, to be gone on the carpet. I realize you were not suggesting carbon A/C filters but I need filters anyway so I purchased a hard to find 2" think activated carbon filter. I had to buy 3.
    It fits tightly where my 1" went and now I read it could possibly overwork the A/C so removed it. I have a do it your self-carbon filter which you cut to size from Lowes. After returning a Dehumidifier that didn't do much I purchased on for twice the price and shocked that I'm removing at least 8 or more gallons a day. It works quickly to bring the room from 70 to 35 in minutes. I don't know if that's normal because my room is not wet. An hour ago I talked with an air specialist to check out my room and he talked me out of it. He mainly checks for mold and mold wouldn’t come in one day when I used the IQ Air. He told me I'd need to pay thousands to have a specialist test for each possible VOC. Minutes ago I gave in and ordered another IQ Air carbon filter out of desperation. As I previously stated those with negative reviews regarding this filter had exactly the same problem where a sweet smell started coming out of the unit. I unfortunately wasn't around so it saturated the room but not in the closed closet. The carbon blower you suggested sounds great but since you said it's very loud I couldn't use it because I'd get no sleep and the odor would reappear a while after it's turned off. BTW, the A/C 2" filter I ordered from the Canadian Co you suggested. As for the Terra Bloom, I could have used it in the 60's and 70's but that's another story. I've developed a tickle in my chest and slight cough but not sure if that's from an allergy or from the air problem. QUESTION: If the 2" filter tightly fits in the A/C air vent would it be hard on the A/C? My new air purifier reacts to the quality of the air by the color of the quality light. The are 3 colors and as the quality worsens the speed temporarily goes up then back to normal in a few minutes. That's very odd in a quiet room at night unless I have ghosts. So for now I will wait for my IQ filter due 8/10 and hopefully it will give me a slight break from this to rest and get some sleep before I give in and contact an environmental Agency and I thank you for that referral. I will keep you posted and again thank you so much for all the tremendous information and time you've taken

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    Quote Originally Posted by stan5409 View Post
    It's been a month and hope you are ok and well. I researched your wealth of information and really appreciate it. I have not stopped working on the problem for over a month up until this minute. After many baking soda and vinegar treatments on the carpet, I've cut down the problem somewhat. When I would when kneel to sniff the carpet there it smelled like a smoker’s room and I don't smoke. Finally, it seems, for the most part, to be gone on the carpet. I realize you were not suggesting carbon A/C filters but I need filters anyway so I purchased a hard to find 2" think activated carbon filter. I had to buy 3.
    It fits tightly where my 1" went and now I read it could possibly overwork the A/C so removed it. I have a do it your self-carbon filter which you cut to size from Lowes. After returning a Dehumidifier that didn't do much I purchased on for twice the price and shocked that I'm removing at least 8 or more gallons a day. It works quickly to bring the room from 70 to 35 in minutes. I don't know if that's normal because my room is not wet. An hour ago I talked with an air specialist to check out my room and he talked me out of it. He mainly checks for mold and mold wouldn’t come in one day when I used the IQ Air. He told me I'd need to pay thousands to have a specialist test for each possible VOC. Minutes ago I gave in and ordered another IQ Air carbon filter out of desperation. As I previously stated those with negative reviews regarding this filter had exactly the same problem where a sweet smell started coming out of the unit. I unfortunately wasn't around so it saturated the room but not in the closed closet. The carbon blower you suggested sounds great but since you said it's very loud I couldn't use it because I'd get no sleep and the odor would reappear a while after it's turned off. BTW, the A/C 2" filter I ordered from the Canadian Co you suggested. As for the Terra Bloom, I could have used it in the 60's and 70's but that's another story. I've developed a tickle in my chest and slight cough but not sure if that's from an allergy or from the air problem. QUESTION: If the 2" filter tightly fits in the A/C air vent would it be hard on the A/C? My new air purifier reacts to the quality of the air by the color of the quality light. The are 3 colors and as the quality worsens the speed temporarily goes up then back to normal in a few minutes. That's very odd in a quiet room at night unless I have ghosts. So for now I will wait for my IQ filter due 8/10 and hopefully it will give me a slight break from this to rest and get some sleep before I give in and contact an environmental Agency and I thank you for that referral. I will keep you posted and again thank you so much for all the tremendous information and time you've taken
    You've got a lot of stuff, I'll respond to a few.

    1. Contrary to what you were told it does not cost thousands to test for *each* VOC.
    Home Air Check, https://homeaircheck.com/products/, will provide a test kit that will collect a sample of your air. The sample is returned and you will have results in a few days to a week. Cost should be around $200.00. Testing is done in a certified lab using Gas Chromatography/Mass Spectrometry. This is the gold standard.

    2. I have nothing against carbon return air filters. Its just that these filters usually have very little carbon and saturate and lose effectiveness quickly. I don't know how you are fitting a 2 in filter in a 1" receptacle but good luck. As far as being detremental to your AC system that will depend on the resistance that the filter offers to air flow. Generally thicker filters at the same Merv rating offer LESS resistance to air flow. I may be wrong!!

    3. There are strong psychological factors in VOC issues. I used to be skeptical of folks that were paranoid of *smells*. I'm now more sympathetic. it's not unusual to be more paranoid of smells once one has been exposed, even when the odors have abated. Some believe this is totally a psychological issue others believe there is a physical component.
    Here's a reference: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multip...al_sensitivity

    4. I still like the Terra Bloom filters available from Amazon. These work. I've measured the results - significant reductions in VOC almost immediately. But carbon has limitations. Doesn't work for all VOCs and is sensitive to heat, temperature and saturation.

    5. I currently investigating Bi-Polar ionizaton. Google it.

    6. Call the Indoor Air Nerd. Probably as good advice as you will find. He's the technical director of the Indoor Air Quality Assocation. He does phone consults.

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    Thanks again. As for the psychological factors, being an old Psychology major I know what you are talking about and how strong the mind is. That's why there is a rare condition called Pseudocyesis where a woman thinks she is pregnant so actually has symptoms to the point of even a swollen belly. This is different since Aug 4 the problem was almost totally abated and the room seemed about normal.
    It could have been due to a constant open door to the outside with wind blowing in from a blower and the long running dehumidifier and one last long baking soda treatment left for 2 days. I couldn't believe it. The problem was finally gone after at least a month and a half. I was thinking possibly the off gassing was gone because of the amount of time. I did give in an order another IQAir V5-Cell Gas & Odor Filter and put it in yesterday when the smell was almost gone already. This more the odor is back BUT not as strong as it originally was and I can live with it but smells like a boy’s room. It was the first night with no air purifier and dehumidifier running. The IQ was on low all night. I just cranked up the IQ Air to full speed and turned on the dehumidifier. For week a cough from a tickle that had me worried is now gone and so is the air that I'd feel as I breathe when entering the room and would sting my eyes. That is no longer here so something has changed for the better. THANK YOU SO MUCH for one important thing you mentioned. I did check out the do it yourself air test you mention just a few days ago but read as per Consumer Reports, and others that it's better to get a professional. If need be I will absolutely go for the test. I was impressed with their website. So as of today it's very livable in the room and at least I can breathe. You have no idea what help and support you've been and I will not forget your generosity especially the way the world is now days. I will keep you up dated but I would also appreciate to hear how your Bi-Polar ionization research goes. I'd go for the Terra Bloom but since you said it's very loud I couldn't use it at night if needed. ONE QUESTION: if the IQ filter starts to smell like my room but not like the original smell that started the problem would sunning it out help? I'm not there yet, just asking. I've checked everything you've ever posted regarding my problem including Indoor Air Nerd. If I talked with Ian Cull, he charges $250/hour and has a minimum of 2 hours. Dylan is $195 an hour if he's available. I'm not there yet. Thanks again stay well and I wish the air you breathe should only be safe and clean.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stan5409 View Post
    Thanks again. As for the psychological factors, being an old Psychology major I know what you are talking about and how strong the mind is. That's why there is a rare condition called Pseudocyesis where a woman thinks she is pregnant so actually has symptoms to the point of even a swollen belly. This is different since Aug 4 the problem was almost totally abated and the room seemed about normal.
    It could have been due to a constant open door to the outside with wind blowing in from a blower and the long running dehumidifier and one last long baking soda treatment left for 2 days. I couldn't believe it. The problem was finally gone after at least a month and a half. I was thinking possibly the off gassing was gone because of the amount of time. I did give in an order another IQAir V5-Cell Gas & Odor Filter and put it in yesterday when the smell was almost gone already. This more the odor is back BUT not as strong as it originally was and I can live with it but smells like a boys room. It was the first night with no air purifier and dehumidifier running. The IQ was on low all night. I just cranked up the IQ Air to full speed and turned on the dehumidifier. For week a cough from a tickle that had me worried is now gone and so is the air that I'd feel as I breathe when entering the room and would sting my eyes. That is no longer here so something has changed for the better. THANK YOU SO MUCH for one important thing you mentioned. I did check out the do it yourself air test you mention just a few days ago but read as per Consumer Reports, and others that it's better to get a professional. If need be I will absolutely go for the test. I was impressed with their website. So as of today it's very livable in the room and at least I can breathe. You have no idea what help and support you've been and I will not forget your generosity especially the way the world is now days. I will keep you up dated but I would also appreciate to hear how your Bi-Polar ionization research goes. I'd go for the Terra Bloom but since you said it's very loud I couldn't use it at night if needed. ONE QUESTION: if the IQ filter starts to smell like my room but not like the original smell that started the problem would sunning it out help? I'm not there yet, just asking. I've checked everything you've ever posted regarding my problem including Indoor Air Nerd. If I talked with Ian Cull, he charges $250/hour and has a minimum of 2 hours. Dylan is $195 an hour if he's available. I'm not there yet. Thanks again stay well and I wish the air you breathe should only be safe and clean.
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    So glad your problem is resolving. I wish I could be so lucky.

    I disagree with Consumer Reports- you do not need a professional for the Home Air Check test. Are you sure they weren't talking about Mold testing?
    All a professional can add to the Home Air Check test is increase the price significantly. The test results will be the same - assuming one can following a 5th grade instruction set.

    Seems Ian has increased his fee. I was unaware of this.

    In any case seems all is good your way or soon will be.

    My investigations continue...

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    You have no idea what your opinion and info regarding the home test has done for me. It's at least given me peace of mind in case things get worse. The problem still exists and I hope being possitive won't bring me bad vibes and reverse my luck. I'm not a vibes kind of guy anyway but I see it does come and go but slightly nothing like before. I do see as it is now I can live with it. I hope literally. Good luck and if you need any A/C filters I now have too many either 2" carbon which I'm now afraid to use and many of the Filtersfast.com MERV 13. That too concerns me because I've learned so much during this ordeal and one thing I learned is the higher the MERV the harder the Compressor or A/C has to work. You are welcome to have any at no cost and I'd send them at my cost for the the help you afforded me. The non-carbons are 12X24X1 and the Carbon is 12X24X2.

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    It's been a couple of months and I hope all is well. Not going to leave one of my long sob stories this time but just wanted to ask one question. Although much has settled down in my room relating to smell, it does come up now and then but nothing like originally. Since I've developed a tickle in my chest I want to pursue the suggestion of an air test but want to know if it's necessary for me to purchase the test that includes
    formaldehyde testing since I have nothing new in the room that would off-gas "F" such as new furniture, carpet or anything. Being costly I don't want to pay for a test that wouldn't pertain to me. My other concern is the test does not tell what type of VOC is present just the measurement. I will cross that street when I come to it. For now, thanks for all the suggestions and they were all put to good use.

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    Home Air Check's (an arm of Prism Labs) basic test only provides TVOC levels and a breakdown of VOC categories, not individual VOCs, with their standard test. For an extra charge Home Air Check will provide the individual VOCs that compose your sample.

    My preferred lab for testing is https://www.fikeanalytical.com/. Their test will provide all individual VOCs found in your sample, except formaldehyde. Cost will set you back about $400.00. If you chose this route you will have to call Dr. Fike. He's a PHD analytical chemist with a wide range of knowledge. Typically he works with professionals in the IAQ industry but he does support a small number of residential customers. I believe his results are more accurate than Home Air Check.

    Another option worth considering is Assay Technology - https://www.assaytech.com. They also use Gas Chromatography, but use badges to test for individual VOCs. The results are accurate and cost *may* be less but you have to choose which *type* of VOCs to test for. You may have to use multiple badges to test for a full range of VOCs. They have great phone support, so give them a call if your are interested.

    Keep in mind that the nasty results (cancer, brain damage) most fear from VOCs are due to very, very high levels that are rarely found in homes. On the other hand lower levels have been shown to diminish general well being. Folks don't feel as well or think as efficiently with even a small increase of VOCs. This has been demonstrated in scientific studies.

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    OK, and you've taken a load off. The top concern I've had, especially with the morning dry cough, was getting cancer from the situation. Eye burning and strong scent have been gone for a long while now. The levels can't be too high since when the dehumidifier is going I smell nothing and if I do I put the IQ on at a low #2. Windows open all night with fan blowing outside air in helped too. Your reply saved me a lot of money because the problem is so slight I think that spending hundreds would not only be a waste but since the odor is so thin it could be really difficult to find. Since it sits on the top of my carpet I might have spread it to the living room. Not sure if it just wafted over or I've become overly sensitive. The scent I've experieced in the living room is rare, faint, and here one second then was gone. I really hope you find some relief. I think many vinegar and baking soda treatments was a big factor in helping me. I've even washed bedroom furniture with vinegar followed by baking soda. A big mess using a towel in warm water to remove that paste. I read this on several sites or would have never attempted something like that. Well I do hope we both end up with nothing but clean air

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    I have read through this thread and commend you for your knowledge and clear explanations. I would be hard pressed to point to a single comment that you have made that I do not agree with. If you have read my entries over the years, you know that is saying a lot. Well done!

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    Would the Reme-Halo make this worse or you would not notice the ozone? What about HCT nano from air oasis.??

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    Really, really appreciate your comment Breathe Easy. Thanks!

    Any you're correct - I know that means something. Years ago when I first started investigating I reviewed your history here (and other places). Your posts saved me a lot to time.
    Your warnings about potential downsides of intermediates products of oxidative approaches were a real eye opener. There are so many opinions masquerading a fact and so few based on evidence

    Your input is valued valued!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by stan5409 View Post
    Question: I realize you can't give an absolute definitive reply to this but would it be possible for equipment such as the Vortex to permanently remove the problem instead of a temporary fix? So far I think I've cut the problem in half. Could be the many baking soda and vinegar treatments along with constant strong airflow from a Tornado fan outside facing in. I also started my new dehumidifier but not sure it's doing anything since the RH I set it to never gets close to my setting. I've collected about 2 liters of water in 3 days but the unit was not on all the 72 hours. Being in CA I don't have the humidity problems like Florida or Texas so the room is usually at 65-75%. At this moment the unit registers 73% humidity and it's 51% outside. Could be because I sprayed again recently. Usually, it registers a little less than outside. So what do you think of at least the possibility of the Vortex clearing out the problem for good? Remember, as I stated I know you can't give a definite but maybe know of cases where it worked
    Be careful, I have a Honeywell 9421 Prestige series Thermostat that reads indoor humidity. I have 6 sensors to average the humidity readings and the temperature is exact and accurate, but the readings of humidity are way off from honeywell. I bought from amazon these.

    "AcuRite 01083 Indoor Thermometer & Hygrometer with Humidity Gauge & Pro Accuracy Calibration, White"

    And have one outside the home and one inside the home and the readings are accurate. What I find interesting is that when the A/C is off, the indoor readings start matching the secondary hygrometer from amazon. At the moment the A/C is on, the readings start to go up on the honeywell units.

    With regards to mold tests, have you bought the mold test kits from HomeDepot and swabbed the ceiling registers and the indoor coil on the bottom where the filter is located? My coils were dirty and you would assume it was hair and dust and it was full of mold!!!!! The test kit confirmed it, but does not say if it was harmful mold or regular mold.

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    I am glad my posts were of some help to you. Keep up the good work!

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