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    All the money being spent to go to the moon and mars, what a waste. We havnt gone back to the moon cause theres nothing there for us. I live in South Florida and its a fact in 50 years its all going to be underwater here because of global climate change. And so are many parts of the rest world, including parts of California were a lot of the foods we eat are grown. We need to work together as one world and keep our "fish tank" the Earth clean for the future. The drought in Cali is causing so much heartache for no reason. The Israeli's built their own water desalinization plants so they never have to wait for rain. Instead of spending that money in infrastructure like several desal plants or our bridges and roads, these morons are proposing to go back to the moon? Only to setup a future scenario where large companies and countries will fight for natural resources on the moon. The moon is out natural satellite. Without it, life cannot exists on this planet the way we've come to know it. We should leave it alone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shack305 View Post
    All the money being spent to go to the moon and mars, what a waste.
    What money is that? How much are you talking about? Who is spending it?

    We havnt gone back to the moon cause theres nothing there for us.
    You mean there is nothing there for you.

    Instead of spending that money infrastructure like several desal plants or our bridges and roads, these morons are proposing to go back to the moon?
    You mean you want Astrobotic, a privately held robot maker, to build desalination plants and bridges and roads?

    Q: Why do space explorers want to go to the moon?
    A: To get away from Earth's gravity.
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    No, I would much more prefer for humans to realize that in 200 years when all the ice melts from the poles must of the life on the planet wont exists anymore. So trying to make it to the Moon and to Mars wont matter very much. Maybe there is a lesson to be learned here. Maybe our creator put us on this far away rock for a reason. So we learn to take care of it. Not trying to continue to stride ahead destroying whatever we touch. Going back to the Moon with the intention of making money, will lead to war. And worst a war in the orbits of satellites would destroy our normal day to day lives down here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shack305 View Post
    No, I would much more prefer for humans to realize that in 200 years when all the ice melts from the poles must of the life on the planet wont exists anymore. So trying to make it to the Moon and to Mars wont matter very much. Maybe there is a lesson to be learned here. Maybe our creator put us on this far away rock for a reason. So we learn to take care of it. Not trying to continue to stride ahead destroying whatever we touch. Going back to the Moon with the intention of making money, will lead to war. And worst a war in the orbits of satellites would destroy our normal day to day lives down here.


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    Quote Originally Posted by shack305 View Post
    No, I would much more prefer for humans to realize that in 200 years when all the ice melts from the poles must of the life on the planet wont exists anymore. So trying to make it to the Moon and to Mars wont matter very much. Maybe there is a lesson to be learned here. Maybe our creator put us on this far away rock for a reason. So we learn to take care of it. Not trying to continue to stride ahead destroying whatever we touch. Going back to the Moon with the intention of making money, will lead to war. And worst a war in the orbits of satellites would destroy our normal day to day lives down here.
    If we're going to have a satellite war, we'll have one whether we go to the moon or not.

    The moon is 240,000 miles away. If we fight a war over it, we won't go to the moon to do it. We'll stay right here, just like all the other wars.

    In other words, if our government wants to fight a war, it'll fight one, regardless of whatever ridiculous trumped up reason it selects.

    For example (one of many), take a look at the sinking of the USS Maine in 1898:

    The Maine is best known for her loss in Havana Harbor on the evening of 15 February 1898. Sent to protect U.S. interests during the Cuban revolt against Spain, she exploded suddenly, without warning, and sank quickly, killing nearly three quarters of her crew. The cause and responsibility for her sinking remained unclear after a board of inquiry investigated. Nevertheless, popular opinion in the U.S., fanned by inflammatory articles printed in the "Yellow Press" by William Randolph Hearst and Joseph Pulitzer, blamed Spain. The phrase, "remember the Maine, to Hell with Spain", became a rallying cry for action, which came with the Spanish–American War later that year. While the sinking of the Maine was not a direct cause for action, it served as a catalyst, accelerating the approach to a diplomatic impasse between the U.S. and Spain.
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    [The] cause for the sinking was [probably] from a magazine explosion within the vessel. The Navy’s leading ordnance expert, Philip R. Alger took this theory further by suggesting that the magazines were ignited by a spontaneous fire in a coal bunker.[2] The coal used in the Maine was bituminous coal. The nature of bituminous is that it burns at high temperatures and is known for releasing firedamp, a gas that is prone to spontaneous explosions.[3] There is stronger evidence that the explosion of the Maine was caused by an internal coal fire which ignited the magazines.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Maine_%28ACR-1%29

    To this day, "Remember the Maine!" is still a well-known battle cry. I don't think it'll ever be changed to "Remember the Moon!"
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    Let me give you a logic attack, shack. The climate has been changing for as long as the earth has existed. There is absolutely no scientific link between the activities of man and "global climate change." So if you want to be arrogant enough to think that humans are so important on this planet that they have caused this, then frankly I would say that we are already past the point of no return.

    You recall that it was just 20 years ago that people were saying that Florida was going to be under water by now, and not a single bit of that is happening. In fact, the climate has not gotten warmer in the past 17 years.

    Not a bit.

    So, put aside the fear mongering they taught you in the public indoctrination center. Do it for you, and your mind.
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    Quote Originally Posted by timebuilder View Post
    You went to public school in the last 20 years, didn't you?
    With all due respect sir. I just laid out several modern scientific facts. All you did was try an insult me. This is a place for discussion, at least I thought.
    Timebuilder are you saying that as the population of the Earth grows their wont be an increase in hydrocarbons being introduced into our atmosphere?
    Is that not true? The more and more people in China and India start driving cars that that wont have a direct affect to our environment?
    Look up Kingston Fossil Plant spill. Everything we do on this planet has an effect on our natural environment. I cant believe someone so intelligent would be soo narrow minded.
    And by the way, last i checked we are the must important creatures on this planet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shack305 View Post
    No, I would much more prefer for humans to realize that in 200 years when [we are hit by some incredible disaster] must of the life on the planet wont exists anymore.
    People have been making statements like this for thousands of years. What has changed?

    The only thing that has changed is our technology.

    Man's changes through history have been linear. But technology changes at an exponential rate. We are now in the elbow of the turn, and preparing to go strait up. Our technology is finally about to get ahead of us.

    If you want to halt progress, I'm afraid you're too late. There is no turning back.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shack305 View Post
    With all due respect sir. I just laid out several modern scientific facts. All you did was try an insult me. This is a place for discussion, at least I thought.
    Timebuilder are you saying that as the population of the Earth grows their wont be an increase in hydrocarbons being introduced into our atmosphere?
    Is that not true? The more and more people in China and India start driving cars that that wont have a direct affect to our environment?
    Look up Kingston Fossil Plant spill. Everything we do on this planet has an effect on our natural environment. I cant believe someone so intelligent would be soo narrow minded.
    And by the way, last i checked we are the must important creatures on this planet.


    Hey, if you two want to talk about pollution and global warming, would you please start a new thread?

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    I completely agree with you Space. We went to Korea to test our new jet fights against the best jets of the time, the Russian Migs. I get that. And I am not against Space exploration. And if money is ear-marked for Space. I believe that probes and satellites are must effective. What is the point of mining or colonizing the Moon or Mars? For instance, Asteroids are plenty full with minerals and they can also be the end of us. Why not develop a program to learn about stopping and landing and mining them. I just feel its money spent in the wrong area of Space exploration.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shack305 View Post
    I completely agree with you Space. We went to Korea to test our new jet fights against the best jets of the time, the Russian Migs. I get that. And I am not against Space exploration. And if money is ear-marked for Space. I believe that probes and satellites are must effective. What is the point of mining or colonizing the Moon or Mars? For instance, Asteroids are plenty full with minerals and they can also be the end of us. Why not develop a program to learn about stopping and landing and mining them. I just feel its money spent in the wrong area of Space exploration.
    That'll work. But regardless of US aspirations, since the moon is our nearest neigbor, it will soon become a stepping stone to the asteroids and a major base of operations for China, India, and Russia. What do you think they're going to do when they get up there?

    Here's a clue: Did you know that in India and Russia (maybe China too; IDK) antibiotics are sold over the counter? If anything is going to destroy us in the near future, it's going to be drug-resistant bacteria, and it'll be because these countries have been incubating them for decades.

    Not only that, but Russia and a few other countries have been developing alternate antibacterial biotech through the application of bacteriophages. Most other countries, including the US, have not.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bacteriophage

    We'll be dying by the billions.

    There. Are you happy now?
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    LOL ya I'm happy. They did find that Indian woman with drug resistant TB a couple of days ago that came into the US through Chicago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shack305 View Post
    With all due respect sir. I just laid out several modern scientific facts. All you did was try an insult me. This is a place for discussion, at least I thought.
    Timebuilder are you saying that as the population of the Earth grows their wont be an increase in hydrocarbons being introduced into our atmosphere?
    Is that not true? The more and more people in China and India start driving cars that that wont have a direct affect to our environment?
    Look up Kingston Fossil Plant spill. Everything we do on this planet has an effect on our natural environment. I cant believe someone so intelligent would be soo narrow minded.
    And by the way, last i checked we are the must important creatures on this planet.
    With all due respect sir, you laid out nothing except your indoctrination.

    Not even worth the time spent responding to you.
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