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    BAS Training

    I'm and HVAC consultant who is 90% HVAC design and 10% controls design. My company is asking me to become more literate in controls.

    Has anyone taken any training courses that they would recommend? We're talking about 3-4 days of training.

    I would like to be more familiar with such items:

    BAS Architecture
    Different Protocols
    How BAS is implemented
    etc.,etc.,etc.

    Thanks!

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    I would check around with local control contractors with good reputations. Assuming they know who you are or work for, you will likely get the best bang for your buck on a few lunch'n'learns and in the process build relationships with experts in the field.

    There are not many 3-4 day classes current with today's technology that I'm aware off. Their instructors likely haven't practiced in the field for several years.
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    DDC Controls 101

    Here's a start:

    1) www.ddc-online.org
    2) the Honeywell Engineering Manual (or 'Grey Manual') - it's been posted several times.
    3) Take the "HVAC Controls Interview" test - see attached (brewski not included...)
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    Just call the local Johnson Controls branch...They will teach you all you need to know.
    If JCI doesn't know it...it isn't important.

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    Quote Originally Posted by princemark View Post
    I'm and HVAC consultant who is 90% HVAC design and 10% controls design. My company is asking me to become more literate in controls.

    Has anyone taken any training courses that they would recommend? We're talking about 3-4 days of training.

    I would like to be more familiar with such items:

    BAS Architecture
    Different Protocols
    How BAS is implemented
    etc.,etc.,etc.

    Thanks!
    2nd for the Honeywell Grey book. It is the bible.

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    Control Stop in Charlotte, NC has some great classes, that I have attended...

    www.controlstop.com

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    Quote Originally Posted by orion242 View Post
    I would check around with local control contractors with good reputations. Assuming they know who you are or work for, you will likely get the best bang for your buck on a few lunch'n'learns and in the process build relationships with experts in the field.

    There are not many 3-4 day classes current with today's technology that I'm aware off. Their instructors likely haven't practiced in the field for several years.
    princemark,
    I agree with orion242. Most of the "Classes" available are usually product specific.
    If I may..I will say (IMO) that the biggest short coming of specifing "engineers" is that they do NOT fully understand how to write a Sequence Of Operation in a concise manner. I personally am fed up with CxA's and Mechanical Engineers making statements to the effect of " some controls function does not meet the "Intent" of the SOO". I privately call BS on that. If they would write an SOO that reasonably explains what they want I/We can program the controls to perform those functions.

    I think it is a great Idea for you to "become more literate in controls" ! Just be careful, Controls contractors are specialists in the field. If you start dictating "Controls Design" you will likely meet a great deal of resistance from the Controls Guys/Gals that may yield a less than desirable final product in the end.

    I predict the "You didn't specify that so we didn't do it/ that will will be a change order" scenario based on experience.

    Just my 2 cents for what it's worth.

    Good luck.
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    Just cruisin' through older posts here... Like the Avatar. SET control loop. Nice.

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    I know this is a couple of years late for OP but for anyone else wanting a general (non-vendor specific) course this one from University of Wisconsin Madison is very comprehensive. I toke it over ten years ago when Jay Santos (still instructing) and Bob Shultz (from the old CSI/t.a.c. days) where the instructors. It was great for an installer/tech transitioning into a programmer/engineer role. I see Jay is still teaching it.

    https://epd.wisc.edu/course/ddc-controls/

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    Definitely call your local reps I'm sure each one would be more than willing to fit you in. Paid courses typically take longer and I find you get less out of unless its very detailed and that is going to take longer than 3-4 days.

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