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    Inventors beware

    Inventions are a complicated process.

    You have to pass many hurdles.

    Can you get a patent?
    Maybe, probably not. You are going to run into a 'crowded field of art' obstacle even if you do have a new idea. It's legalese. Patents are protected by 'legal claims' which have little technical value but encompass large swaths of technical concepts. What would seem an obvious patent may be declared invalid. By international treaty, the USA is obligated to accept foreign patent 'legal claims' that are vastly encompassing.

    If you get a patent can you make any money off of it?
    Maybe, probably not. Somebody has to buy it from you, or you can start manufacturing the thing in your garage. As for the former, it had better be something really big and exciting or nobody is going to care about it one way or another. As for the latter, your patent is good for some limited number of years so you had better get that factory going now. Your big manufacturers are making money off of of other stuff now. They have plenty of time to tool up and develop your idea and spring it on the market 17 years from now. Can it be duplicated or done in another way? If so, your patent is perhaps worthless.


    If you do make lot's of money off your patent?
    Maybe, probably not. But if you do, expect to be sued and go to court. The more money you make, the more court dates you can expect. If you made a million dollars, you are going up against ambulance chaser lawyers representing momma smith, if you make ten million dollars you are going up against lawyers representing General Electric and such.

    Am I just trying to discourage? Yes and no. There is a proper time and place for patents and these are usually going to exist in large corporate environments. The million dollar bread tie inventor day is over long ago and long over. I know of several people with several patents, and some really good ideas, but nobody made a single penny.

    If you have something you can manufacture, and it is possibly worthy of a patent, then stamp it 'patent pending' and see if you can sell it first. That is why you see so many 'patent pending' stamps on products. I think you are allowed a two year window for that with submitted paperwork.

    Patents are generally the errand of a fool, I made that run once.
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    I'm reminded of a guy that had an idea for a toothpaste tube. The tubes used to be made of lead. It was a key like a sardine cans used to have so the tube could be wound up and all the paste gotten out.
    While his idea isn't very earth shaking he thought he could sell it. I cost him over $12000, all he had, and took so long that toothpaste tubes had changed to plastic and his idea wasn't needed.

    There are numerous ways to loose your a$$ with a good idea. One inventor said that a million dollar idea will cost 100 million in costs to make the one million. I don't know if that's entirely accurate but it's something to think about.
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    Here's the site where some patent problems are brought up. I've read this guys stuff when he wrote for electronics mags.

    http://www.tinaja.com/patnt01.shtml
    Give me a relay with big enough contacts, and I'll run the world!

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    Couldn't you file for one yourself after getting a provisional?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tool-Slinger View Post
    Inventions are a complicated process.

    You have to pass many hurdles.

    Can you get a patent?
    Maybe, probably not. You are going to run into a 'crowded field of art' obstacle even if you do have a new idea. It's legalese. Patents are protected by 'legal claims' which have little technical value but encompass large swaths of technical concepts. What would seem an obvious patent may be declared invalid. By international treaty, the USA is obligated to accept foreign patent 'legal claims' that are vastly encompassing.

    If you get a patent can you make any money off of it?
    Maybe, probably not. Somebody has to buy it from you, or you can start manufacturing the thing in your garage. As for the former, it had better be something really big and exciting or nobody is going to care about it one way or another. As for the latter, your patent is good for some limited number of years so you had better get that factory going now. Your big manufacturers are making money off of of other stuff now. They have plenty of time to tool up and develop your idea and spring it on the market 17 years from now. Can it be duplicated or done in another way? If so, your patent is perhaps worthless.


    If you do make lot's of money off your patent?
    Maybe, probably not. But if you do, expect to be sued and go to court. The more money you make, the more court dates you can expect. If you made a million dollars, you are going up against ambulance chaser lawyers representing momma smith, if you make ten million dollars you are going up against lawyers representing General Electric and such.

    Am I just trying to discourage? Yes and no. There is a proper time and place for patents and these are usually going to exist in large corporate environments. The million dollar bread tie inventor day is over long ago and long over. I know of several people with several patents, and some really good ideas, but nobody made a single penny.

    If you have something you can manufacture, and it is possibly worthy of a patent, then stamp it 'patent pending' and see if you can sell it first. That is why you see so many 'patent pending' stamps on products. I think you are allowed a two year window for that with submitted paperwork.

    Patents are generally the errand of a fool, I made that run once.

    That was well put!!!! ... Patents can be a nightmare beyond all imagination . If you patent something without being willing to put your heart and soul into it , well then it will fail . I know from first hand experience . Luckily , with the will of God and my family support I am selling my product . But it has been by far the most humbling experience of my life . If you patent something you have to be ready to sacrifice . It was the hardest thing I ever did . But , what I will say is once you start selling your product it will bring tears to your eyes and no one can ever take that away from you . The last few installs of our product I did not go to because I knew I would break down in tears . They were good tears , but tears of years of hard work ....

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    Twilly says pay no attention to these naysayers they just want to hold you back, send 29.95 to Twilly and you'll get your product to market.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Twilly View Post
    Twilly says pay no attention to these naysayers they just want to hold you back, send 29.95 (Cash no Checks)to Twilly and you'll get your product to market.
    Fixed

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    Quote Originally Posted by Twilly View Post
    Twilly says pay no attention to these naysayers they just want to hold you back, send 29.95 to Twilly and you'll get your product to market.
    Checks in the mail

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    Patent process requires proper formatting, but as you can see from here, utter gibberish in contents are allowed.

    https://www.google.com/patents/US6662569

    https://www.google.com/patents/US20130234059

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    I couldn't agree with you more. As an inventor and holder of several patents I can attest to everything you said as true. My advice to anyone who thinks they have a good idea is to do exactly what you suggested. Get a provisional patent filed, (patent pending status), and begin to develop your product/idea to the extent that you can on your own. Once you have reached the point where you have something to show someone be very careful who you share it with. Be prepared to spend years of your life pursuing interest in what you are doing with little or no reward, other than the satisfaction of knowing you have a good idea. All in all it should be a labor of love with the expectation that you will never live to see a profit, and by all means don't quit your day job !

    Here is a link where you can look at some of my work if you are interested.
    http://www.jcgconcepts.com/home.html

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    This used to be a country that encouraged new inventions. Then the lawyers got involved and phukered it up.

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    I checked into it once and was told you are better off getting Non disclosures statements from manufacturers for your and their protection and submit directly to them as they want the patent. Your name will still be on it as the inventor. I have an idea now that is needed but have no idea of a workable way to build it.

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    How much does a patent usually cost and how long does it take? Are there different patents and how do we know which one we need?
    Thank you for your advice.

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