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    A Simple Global Warming Hypothesis

    Our water usage has a far greater effect on ocean levels than CO2 production.

    If the oceans are in fact rising and getting warmer, and if man has anything to do with it, this is probably what's happening:

    Millions of people flush billions of gallons of groundwater down the drain each month. Many more use groundwater for watering lawns and farmland. Most of this water runs off into rivers and oceans. Much of it evaporates and comes down as rain, most of which also finds its way to rivers and oceans. This water is warmed as it comes in contact with air and land. This is the water that raises the level of the oceans.

    Overuse of groundwater is why sinkholes appear with increasing frequency in industrialized nations. This is why water tables are falling and ground water is becoming scarce. This is why drought and wildfires are on the rise in populated, naturally arid areas.

    Where is all this water going? Where could it possibly go, but to the oceans?

    CO2 has nothing to do with it. Co2 levels rise after corresponding increases in temperature, not before them.

    Remember Occam's razor?
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam%27s_razor

    Check out these articles on groundwater depletion.
    http://water.usgs.gov/edu/gwdepletion.html
    http://www.eoearth.org/view/article/150159/
    http://pubs.usgs.gov/fs/fs-103-03/
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...er-in-one-map/
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    Where are sea levels rising? I lived at sea level for the last 25 years and nothing changed.

    I see erosion here and there, but not rising sea levels.

    If seal levels rise, they rise everywhere, it cannot be a local occurrence. Level is level, and water seeks its own level.

    Think of this, if we pump water from the ground and sea, and use it for drink, irrigation, and other use, would the sea level not recede? 70% of the world is oceans, evaporation takes place over oceans and rains on land. Hurricanes are fed by ocean water evaporation and dumped inland.

    All that water does not go back, it gets absorbed into plants, and animals, building materials etc. it is used and converted.

    Earthquakes and volcanoes play a HUGE role in water levels. That big quake in Japan two years back dropped the coast down about 3 feet. So seal level rising depends on if the moving tectonic plate you're on is sinking.

    Why worry about something you have no control over?

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    Sea level rise forces US space agency to retreat

    http://news.yahoo.com/sea-level-rise...042742519.html

    When it comes to ocean levels, I don't know where the truth lies. If you ask 10 "informed" people, you'll probably get 10 different answers.

    And NASA has been accused of producing false climate data recently, so there is the possibility of propaganda - even from them. But would they go to such extreme measures as moving facilities? Are some bureaucrats really that spiteful? Who knows? These days, government agencies do crazy things.
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    I believe they have erosion issues- not rising levels. All coasts have erosion. The 4th paragraph down states that.

    "Many NASA centers have already faced costly damage from encroaching water, coastal erosion and potent hurricanes, said a report by the Union of Concerned Scientists"

    Note that no levels are given, nor are rising levels cited.

    I thought NASA was only doing Muslim outreach now??

    You'll be seeing many articles citing doom and gloom, as that is the next Agenda item on the Administrations agenda- Taxing of America.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quick Carl View Post
    Think of this, if we pump water from the ground and sea, and use it for drink, irrigation, and other use, would the sea level not recede? 70% of the world is oceans, evaporation takes place over oceans and rains on land. Hurricanes are fed by ocean water evaporation and dumped inland.

    All that water does not go back, it gets absorbed into plants, and animals, building materials etc. it is used and converted.
    Following this line of thinking, the net result should be that aquifers and other groundwater resources are replenished. But this is not the case.

    Groundwater usage is increasing around the world. Most water is wasted. I think the net result is that fresh water becomes saltwater much faster than saltwater becomes fresh water.

    If we start desalinating more water, this problem can be diminished. Other countries depend on desalinated water as a major or primary source of fresh water. All we need to do is emulate them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Quick Carl View Post
    I believe they have erosion issues- not rising levels. All coasts have erosion. The 4th paragraph down states that.

    "Many NASA centers have already faced costly damage from encroaching water, coastal erosion and potent hurricanes, said a report by the Union of Concerned Scientists"

    Note that no levels are given, nor are rising levels cited.

    I thought NASA was only doing Muslim outreach now??

    You'll be seeing many articles citing doom and gloom, as that is the next Agenda item on the Administrations agenda- Taxing of America.
    Be that as it may, my purpose here is not to debate the facts about ocean levels. It is to submit a simpler and more sensible hypothesis regarding the causes of global warming, such as it is.

    When comparing CO2 to groundwater depletion, if we want to believe that man is causing global warming, groundwater depletion makes more sense than CO2 production.
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    Among other things, sea levels in some areas are also affected by trade winds. This is a fact that is often ignored when various claims are made about AGW and climate. And it appears that trade winds have a great deal to do with the creation of Los Niños. (The foundation of the AGW hypothesis was a mild warming trend that ended with the El Niño of 1997, which created a temperature spike, not a point on the trend line. Nevertheless, this spike was incorporated as part of the trend line and used by the IPCC to make predictions of an escalated warming trend -- a trend which has in fact remained flat ever since 1997.)

    Now it appears another El Niño is on the way. No doubt, IPCC scientists will claim the resulting increase in temperature as vindication of their AGW hypothesis, and further muddy the water with their convoluted rationalizations as they throw Occam's razor to the wind...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zaxPwASV2kY
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    Your hypothesis is to promote the myth of Global Warming as a given fact - just with an alternate way of agreeing on its cause.


    Did you know all the GW models leave out the Sun temp and Cloud Cover as a variable?? Big omissions.. How can you try to predict temp changes without measuring the heat source???

    And, In case you missed the memo- being as GW can not be proved, the new buzzword is "Climate Change" - which is something that can not be proved sure, one way or another. So now warming, cooling and average is all covered.

    Geeze - get with the program.

    Quote Originally Posted by Space Racer View Post
    Be that as it may, my purpose here is not to debate the facts about ocean levels. It is to submit a simpler and more sensible hypothesis regarding the causes of global warming, such as it is.

    When comparing CO2 to groundwater depletion, if we want to believe that man is causing global warming, groundwater depletion makes more sense than CO2 production.

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    I would agree that the climate has been experiencing change since it was created.

    However, no one has anything more than compuiter models to suggest that Man is the force mover for climate change. Which begs the question: why did climate change without man? Which of course, begs an answer: if climate changed without Man, then Man is unlikely to be the cause.

    If man is unlikely to be the cause, then he cannot do ANYTHING that would be a "solution."
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    Blasphemy !!!

    You are using LOGIC - no, no no.

    Logic has no place in the GW argument!

    Quote Originally Posted by timebuilder View Post
    I would agree that the climate has been experiencing change since it was created.

    However, no one has anything more than compuiter models to suggest that Man is the force mover for climate change. Which begs the question: why did climate change without man? Which of course, begs an answer: if climate changed without Man, then Man is unlikely to be the cause.

    If man is unlikely to be the cause, then he cannot do ANYTHING that would be a "solution."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quick Carl View Post
    Your hypothesis is to promote the myth of Global Warming as a given fact - just with an alternate way of agreeing on its cause.
    My hypothesis avoids the AGW/CC argument without promoting it or denying it. That's been done in countless other threads. (Your response seems to assume a minimization of the size of the "if's" contained in my premise.)

    Quote Originally Posted by Quick Carl View Post
    Did you know all the GW models leave out the Sun temp and Cloud Cover as a variable?? Big omissions.. How can you try to predict temp changes without measuring the heat source???
    Of course, there are people who say that the sun and the clouds have little to do with GW/CC. But that's low-hanging fruit, and debates centered there tend to go in circles.

    I'm after the anthropogenic part. I think some people cling to the AGW/CC concept so fiercely because they have been brought up to believe that man is at the root of all negative environmental change. I say fine. If you gotta believe, you gotta believe.

    But if that's where your faith has found its home, why not pin it to something a little more concrete? Why not acknowledge the elephant in the room? Why don't we connect the dots to the elephant, instead of to a tiny fraction of an inert component of nature, or to an assumption based on questionable data, or to computer models that have thus far demonstrated a 98% failure to predict future climate?

    Why don't we recognize and investigate the obvious and alarming destruction of such a vital resource as our own fresh water? Why don't we take the time to consider the very real possibility that sending more and more fresh water to the ocean might in fact be the real cause of some of the recent changes to our glaciers and oceans and rivers and forests? When wildfires destroy thousands of acres of vegetation and hundreds of homes month after month, year after year, why do the media and others keep saying "climate change, climate change," when water management is such an obvious factor of the destruction?

    Because then we have to point the finger at ourselves and take responsibility for our actions.

    Nope. Not gonna do that.

    Let's stick to the things that allow us to point the finger at other people -- especially people we don't like.
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    GW people are pointing the finger at us. You are too- under the guise of water management.

    Different song - same dance..

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    If GW warming is real, its caused by all the hot air coming out of Washington. Remove the cause, problem solved.

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