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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike19 View Post
    Another thing too...

    I'm sure all you guys work with some HVAC Technicians that have "big egos".

    We hired another "young guy" with no experience, and when he found out that he was going to be riding around with someone else for a while, he had a little melt down.

    Also, whenever they wanted him to do some PM work, he would say he was hired to be a Service Tech, and he was meant to be fixing equipment. He didn't want to be bothered with simple things like cleaning coils, etc...



    When I was first hired when I was 19, they told me that I would be riding with someone else, and that I would be doing simple things, and that it would take a few years to learn enough to be useful. Then they started me at $12.50 and said if I got better I would get paid more.

    I think that is a real shocker for some people, when they graduate tech school expecting to get a job right away as a Service Tech, paying $20 to $30/hour. Then they go for the interview and find out that they will be a helper getting paid less than half of that.
    Yeah I think some young guys have spent too much time being pampered and spoiled and then when they get knocked down a few pegs in the real world they can't handle it and have their freak outs. Like no one cares how awesome you "think" you are, it's about what can you do for the company and your customers.

    I still clean coils every year, one to fix units and two on PM's, its called getting 40 hrs a week in, sometimes you gotta change filters or clean coils unless you're ok with sitting at home and not getting paid. I still carry other guys tools and play gopher when I'm out on their contracts with them helping them on 2 man jobs and they do the same thing when its the other way around. I had 2 legit guys ride with me this week and the week before I rode with 2 guys on their jobs.

    Even two experienced guys can learn a lot from each other and I always try to be the guy who gets requested to be the help on the larger commercial and industrial work so I can be familiar with the equipment and get as many hours as I can.

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    I'm in Technical School right now and out of 18 students in my class only 5 are under the age of 30.

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    I work with some guys that don't have a criminal record, that if I was an employer I wouldn't hire. I work with some that have a criminal background that I would hire. It all depends on how long ago it was. According to statistics if a person commits a crime and stays clean ten years after that, its unlikely he'll ever get in trouble again. Someone told me once that works in the justice system that some of the most nonviolent people he has met, has a violent record.

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    I wonder if you know this: an employer can be sued and held liable if he fails to properly screen his employees that he sends into the homes of his customers.

    Did you realize that?

    QUOTE=Jusam;17298771]I work with some guys that don't have a criminal record, that if I was an employer I wouldn't hire. I work with some that have a criminal background that I would hire. It all depends on how long ago it was. According to statistics if a person commits a crime and stays clean ten years after that, its unlikely he'll ever get in trouble again. Someone told me once that works in the justice system that some of the most nonviolent people he has met, has a violent record.[/QUOTE]

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    Quote Originally Posted by timebuilder View Post
    Pedophiles cannot hold those positions in most states today.

    A felony is a Big Time problem. Now, if a guy could show that he has led a stellar life for say, 20 years, then yes, he is worth a shot.

    You see it is not so much the offense itself, it is the attitudes and belief systems of the person who could commit those crimes.

    It's a matter of how the guy sees himself, and the rights and property of OTHERS that causes this to weigh so heavily. Ergo, he has to show those attitudes and beliefs are no longer in control of him and his life.

    And that takes time.
    I think it is the type of felony that should be considered in the hiring process. The Feds have turned so many things into felony offenses that you can get a felony offense for unknowingly submitting a document to the government that has a statement that THEY consider as untrue. Or as in my case, telling the IRS to go screw themselves in a tax dispute. When dealing with the feds it doesn't matter if your right or wrong... They always win. 96% of cases that are taken to trial by the feds are won. And I know for a fact that a lot of those charged in tax cases are totally innocent. I feel that the type of felony a person gets should determine how society looks at him. A crack dealer, a pedophile and violent criminals and folks in that class should be looked at differently then the guy that unintentionally told a perceived lie on a bank loan application and was convicted of bank fraud and the guy who had a running battle with the IRS for 15 years should not be considered dangerous to people or society. We are seeing every day how cops are trumping up charges to seize assets of old folks as a way to supplement the operating budgets of there police departments. All it takes is an affidavit from the cop that he THINKS that the property was used in a drug case... Texas has had a huge run on any person with some amount of cash that the cops wanted. The cops threaten to file drug charges against the person they happen to stop on the highway that has more cash then the cop thinks they should be carrying. Then the cops have the balls to threaten to take the persons kids away from them because they will be charged with a drug crime. It happens every day. Another problem is that even though the cops might not get some of this crap to stick there is still a record .... hence you cant get a job unless you know about the procedure of clearing your record. America at the present time has over 50,000 laws that can cause you to become a felon.... more than any other country in the World - most people don't even know what most of them are which is just another good reason to never have a conversation with a cop. Just remember, If a cop asks you a question he is conducting a field investigation and he can and will use any thing you say against you or someone else.... even though you are not under arrest. But that is another very long post.... Most states will give a professional license to a felon as long as his felony does not have anything to do with the type of license he is trying to get. So a guy defrauding an insurance company is not gonna get an insurance or brokerage license... But the guy who gets a couple of DUI's when he is 22 will not have a problem getting an electrical license or a refrigeration license. So if that type of screening is good enough for most states then I think it should be good enough for the employers. Personally - I am totally up front with anyone who might have a need to know about my background. I feel that if they want to hold it against me for standing up for my rights as an American then I didn't probably want to work for them anyway.

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    As I said, arguments don't hold very well when liability is in play.

    I would not want to be the guy that sits on a witness stand in a hearing, and starts telling the judge about the IRS....
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    Quote Originally Posted by timebuilder View Post
    I wonder if you know this: an employer can be sued and held liable if he fails to properly screen his employees that he sends into the homes of his customers.

    Did you realize that?

    QUOTE=Jusam;17298771]I work with some guys that don't have a criminal record, that if I was an employer I wouldn't hire. I work with some that have a criminal background that I would hire. It all depends on how long ago it was. According to statistics if a person commits a crime and stays clean ten years after that, its unlikely he'll ever get in trouble again. Someone told me once that works in the justice system that some of the most nonviolent people he has met, has a violent record.
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    I had to look that up. I found this article. It was a good read on the subject. http://www.creasonandaarvig.com/CM/A...cles2.asp.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Harper View Post

    I had to look that up. I found this article. It was a good read on the subject. http://www.creasonandaarvig.com/CM/A...cles2.asp.html
    Interesting.

    It also gives rise to the idea that an employer "knew, or should have known" that previous wrongful acts on the part of a prospective employee could easily be undertaken by the employee when exposed to the environment of a customer's home.
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    The lawyer that wrote the article, was quick to mention that most of these cases are not decided on law or facts, but (paraphrasing) social justice. I feel that is wrong on so many levels. Judges that ignore the basis of the law, and rule on emotion or whats "socially right" need to be removed from the bench. What may seem right socially, is going to be determined by upbringing, education, religion and many other factors..none of which pertain to the law.

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    Depends what their "criminal record" is for. Marijuana posession? Give me a break.

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    Quote Originally Posted by timebuilder View Post
    Interesting.

    It also gives rise to the idea that an employer "knew, or should have known" that previous wrongful acts on the part of a prospective employee could easily be undertaken by the employee when exposed to the environment of a customer's home.

    I carry insurance that covers my customers from any crime possibly committed by an employee of mine. Yes they have insurance for this

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    Quote Originally Posted by fv_tom View Post
    Depends what their "criminal record" is for. Marijuana posession? Give me a break.
    How does a six month break and a drug rehab sound?
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    Quote Originally Posted by timebuilder View Post
    How does a six month break and a drug rehab sound?
    Sounds pretty good...sign me up!

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