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    Yea we are covered up. I'm in Louisville KY working on that river boat for Caesars Palace this week and have another casino on the way home to look at. That picture in my avatar is one of many air handlers in a VA Hospital I just finished.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keith Jordan View Post
    I have a question. Why would the majority of UV companies produce bulbs upwards of 5 feet in length if all they needed was a 6", 9", or 14" bulb to achieve the same kill rate?
    Why are there so many flashlights? idk man, there are tons of products that are overkill in your business. Maybe it is geared towards those who feel bigger is better. I thell ya though, the 4" 4sided Ecobox RCI smokes the Fresh Airs 6"inch 2 sided...hard...I can't believe how strong it is...for a 6"sq box

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    Here's an idea!

    As a wholesaler vendor of the RGF product line and very well educated and experienced with the can and can’t dos of the RGF products, I encourage each of you to contact RGF directly and get the truth about this product. I think the truth is what everyone can agree on.

    www.rgf.com

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    CCD these are not uninformed home owners on this site that you can push a network marketing product. Until you can supply me with engineering specs that show what the product can remove from the air and how fast it will be a an unmarketable product to building engineers and architects for professional use, that can be bonded on a job. You might want to familiarize yourself with the official government response from the EPA to the uses of ozone as an air cleaning process.
    http://www.epa.gov/iaq/pubs/ozonegen.html

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    RGF can provide you with lab test that were conducted at Kansas State that show a 97 to 99% reduction of all the issues it claims to address all with in a 3 hour time span. As far as the Ozone issue, its a non issue. The very very very small out put of Ozone is so small that it has been deemed very safe for home use. RGF dose not clean the air through the use of Ozone, it just is not true. Trust me, I deal with many contractors that have the same thoughts as you do but education is the key. It seems that RGF is being lumped in to a group of products that are all apples, oranges and wagon wheels. I don't need to read a goverment report on an isssue that doesn't apply to the product, RGF and the EPA and other goverent agencys have already been around the block so we aren't breaking any new ground here. The product just works, and works very well.

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    I hate to be the one to tell you the Kansas White paper was all about surface contact. And this is off the RGF web site.(Kansas State University tests RGF's AOT for the following:
    Streptococcus - 96.5% reduction on surface in 24 hours
    E.Coli - 98% reduction on surface in 24 hours
    Listeria- 99.7% reduction on surface in 24 hours
    Norwalk Virus - 99.9% reduction on surface in 24 hours
    2006)
    You know in a nosocomial out break or god for bid a chemical weapons attack,
    I don't think I have quite 24 hours for the biologics to go away. And in most cases they are oxidized by the ambient oxygen in the air over time,airborne gravity will remove them from the air to a surface. So I don't know where RGF or shall I say Ecoquest the current owners of the technology can market it as an air purification product. And hydroxyl radicals can only survive while they are in the energy source. That concludes me to believe that the byproduct of hydrogen peroxide is carried in to the space by the unoxidized ozone.
    I'm not against your products technology. But it was designed for reclamation use in water purification and surface contact.

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    How does performance killing bacteria on stainless steel surfaces in a relatively small test chamber translate to performance as a whole house air cleaning product?

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    It is very hard to determine what the "truth" is with this product. The claims that RGF makes about the product fall apart under closer scrutiny. A good example is what Genesis stated above. Claims made about the effectiveness of the product on all kinds of microbials in the air based on results of a 24 hour test on food contact surfaces in a small chamber.

    The ozone output is another example. In their literature they claim the product produces just 5ppb of ozone. They never mention how the test was done. I just read a third party test of the Phi Cell which showed that ozone counts taken 12" downstream in an 8" duct with air movement at 300 cfm were at 220ppb. Wow!

    Consumer Reports found that in their test chamber the Fresh Air version of this technology produced ozone of 110ppb at its normal setting and 350ppb at its high setting.

    Well, I guess you could get a 5ppb increase in ozone if you ran it in the Astrodome.

    I would suggest that you check your facts when talking about this product to contractors. What you have been told is "true" may not be.

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    CCD save your breath, even with NORMI's testing with Ecoquests products these guys will never turn, even if it was the best. PHI however has nothing on the RGF upgrade RCI which has now become a 4sided matrix with 10x the surface space of the PHI but with the same coatin. NORNI prove it destroys formaldehyde 99.999% in one test and 100% in the other. This isn't the marketplace, that is why you just let people try em, they wont care what these guys have to say about it if they get results...since 7 million have had good results the numbers are in your favor...I wouldn't bother with RGF though since EQ dealers get RGF stuff for 100 bucks less than RGF distributers... They saved the uninformed homeowners to sell the HEPA filters to...lol

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    moldi my question of the days is who does the install for the home owner when you sale a unit? Do you have a HVAC contractors license?

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    no, we hire HVAC guys, which is why the Ecoquest dealers like my sponsor who is an HVAC engineer make more money then myself since we charge for the extra service... So where the price is 20% profit for me it would be 60% for you or Ray.

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    Watch Court TV Dec 15th 11 am eastern

    They ran it under normal use but it wasnt on "normal mode. The minimum area for use is 250sqft, they wont diclose what the settings are. There is no way the light alone made that much since the same light is in the ecobox and that can be sold in canada with the ozone function. The light will go up past .05ppm in a 10x2 test tube, there is no place for it to go. I would be really curious because it is funny that everyone who tests it who know how to use it all say great things...plus on the you try before you buy premise it apparently brought results for the 7 million who tried em before they bought em.

    I'm not selling em anymore except with mold jobs or if somebody asks because I am working with a company that helps people in a better way.
    www.prepaidlegal.com/hub/arthurfontaine
    Every state is different but you can look at what they offer in your area. You will have to find a rep if you live in a state that requires insurance licencing because they consider it legal insurance. MA, TN and one other... I am not licenced in either. It isn't required in NH and most of the others. Just read the benefits, they are 7 pages long. Some places the ID theft Package and Extended legal plan is $35/month. The plans cover your kids too up to 21 if at home and up to 23 if a full time student.

    75% of Americans don't have wills. Some because they can't afford the $500-1000 legal fees, some just haven't gotten around with it. Plus we are a NYSE traded company with 4 retired US Attorney General's firms among our providers. We do for legal bills what medical insurance does for hospital bills. Because these lawyers are getting $10, 20, & sometimes more than $30k/month whether or not anyone uses them they treat our members as their richest client. The prices differ in different areas but here it is $24.95 /month for the Life Events Legal Plan and the Identity Theft Shield. This company has teamed up with Kroll Background America (they unraveled Enron and tracked Saddam's money) So that should someone steal your Identity they do the 600hrs of work to put your life back together. The Justice system doesn't work either unless you are rich, until now. As I said above they get so much they don't want to make PPL unhappy or they will lose an enormous portion of income that 60% of the time they don't work for

    -Your will is included along with your living will and durable power of attorney to be updated yearly. Your spouse can have theirs done for an additional $20.

    -Unlimited phone consultation

    -Document review up to 10 pages. Rich people don't sign anything without having a lawyer review it to protect them.

    -70 hrs trial representation should you be sued (accumulates over 5 yrs if unused up to 335hrs.)

    -50 Hrs with a tax attorney should you be audited

    -They will write letters and make phonecalls on your behalf.

    -They will even represent you for speeding tickets which will save thousand in insurance surcharges in the long run.

    So that is why I haven't been here much. I can't believe the PPL support groups in my area. It is so neat how supportive people that make nothing off me are.This is the awesomest company ever and to be in magazines like Forbes and Money, and Success From Home, and in other publications, USA Today, Donald trump and Robert Kyosaki praised it...so I am to excited about the opportunity to argue about old hat. I think Ecoquest is a great company but it isn't for me. You can bet I wont get rid of all my stuff cuz I love the ecobox and the Fresh Air is good too but now the EB is definitly an improvement. If anyone is curious about how the opportunity works:
    www.afontaine.buildlastingsuccess.com

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    There are so many things I want to write but I will refrain from any comment.

    Good luck on your new venture.

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