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    valdelocc

    I agree with 99% of what you just said. Except (hate is a strong word and rarely us it) but I have no time and wish that every one of the politicians in congress loose their re-election campaign. They are not looking out for me, the unions or anyone who works for a living, there is no friend to labor in DC just my opinion

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    Quote Originally Posted by timebuilder View Post
    Sine this is a union vs non-union thread, I will again share my ideas.

    An HVAC tech has the greatest income and retirement comfort potential as a union guy.

    The training is generally first rate.

    The pay is really good during the apprenticeship.

    The pay is really, really good when you hit journeyman.

    it can be even better if you make a deal to be paid over-scale, because of your merit.

    All of that being said, the national office does not run the locals. They are independent, and in my experience, they lack enough business acumen to avoid acting foolishly.

    For example,they act as if they have the jobs, when they don't. The signatory companies are the ones who get the work, estimate the jobs, get paid, and issue the checks.

    Not the union.

    Many years ago, it made sense to back one politcal party, when it was a moderate, real world party.

    Now, that party is fully a global leftist party, and that politcal dogma does not work well with businesses. If you work well with businesses, you end up with more work, more workers, more dues, and more market share.

    However, most bosses in unions fail to see that, because their background is socialist dogma going back to the days of the Molly Maguires.


    Today, knowing which hand actually has the food in it best servers the interests of workers.
    Words of wisdom.

    I bailed from the union during the recession. They weren't doing anything to put food on my table. I'm not a union basher by any means.....but.....damn, many of the guys running the locals need to wake up. There are so many guys I work with that refuse to join the union because of the issues highlighted.

    And the maddening part about it is......the highlighted parts really don't benefit the cause.

    And, I'll say it again... I'm not a union basher. They have done some great things for the trades and the incomes/benefits for every HVAC skilled tradesman.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Answer-Man View Post
    valdelocc

    I agree with 99% of what you just said. Except (hate is a strong word and rarely us it) but I have no time and wish that every one of the politicians in congress loose their re-election campaign. They are not looking out for me, the unions or anyone who works for a living, there is no friend to labor in DC just my opinion
    Pretty much 100% accurate.
    “Free men do not ask permission to bear arms.”
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    Quote Originally Posted by valdelocc View Post
    Let me clarify couple of things, based on my own experience, I worked non-union first and joined the union 15 or so years later, there is not comparison with the UA when it comes to training,pay and benefits. ABC is a joke and mouth piece for the contractors, they are good at pretending to be something else. There is not such thing as "union bosses" we the members chose our union leadership by democratic elections and all members in good standing can run for any union position. My local supports republican and democrats financially, we support FRIENDS OF LABOR,The republican party long ago became the party of the rich and their advocacy went against whats good for the working men.
    Those guys are the "rinos," and they are being kicked out a dozen at a time. Make no mistake, Nancy Pelosi and Mitt Romney are closer in positions that anyone of their constituents can imagine. Their interest is power and appearance. That's why Romney hates Trump...he does not "appear" they way they want him to appear. He is more for us, and not for the club of rinos and Dems.

    It used to be that both groups could lie to us. Those days are over.
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