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    So where does the random customer / contractor...

    So where does the random customer / contractor get those jar files? HW have a public download link?



    Little different than spudder then. Its using custom blocks that only work within that...
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    Now that I think about it more, if we are talking...

    Now that I think about it more, if we are talking all PTO...

    Would have to add up my sick time, paid holidays, and normal vaca time. Prob not far off from 30 days. The miserable state I work in,...
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    Your options are pretty limited. Would look in...

    Your options are pretty limited. Would look in whatever gateways they offer for those and expect little better than cutting mains to it.

    That's some fairly expensive gear in a space to half a$$...
  4. So are these controllers sun tracking? What...

    So are these controllers sun tracking? What exactly are the BACnet devices doing out in the array?

    Thermal array? This the type that uses a field of mirrors to concentrate the sun in a single...
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    Agree pay vs PTO. That said, I haven't ever...

    Agree pay vs PTO. That said, I haven't ever worked at a shop that prevented me from time off, be it PTO or unpaid. Don't normally take time off in the peak of the work season, but never have been...
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    Not knowing anything about these devices, I would...

    Not knowing anything about these devices, I would make sure the time is correct between them.

    Depending on the auth protocol, there are some that fail if the clocks are to far out of sync. Given...
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    CA, you work like a dog to rent your tiny home...

    CA, you work like a dog to rent your tiny home unless your a native from 20+ yrs back. Welcome to CA. If that area is your thing, more power to you. If not, why stick around?

    Changed locations...
  8. Find it funny that any vendor offering BACnet...

    Find it funny that any vendor offering BACnet devices, doesn't include integrated discovery tools that can discover, read / write any object in any device that support such action.

    I know some of...
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    Anything to cover lost work days due to power...

    Anything to cover lost work days due to power outage lol.

    Smelling $/kwh costs to match $/gal gas cost there in the near future.
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    Seems like some lazy BS to me. Given the damn...

    Seems like some lazy BS to me. Given the damn thing can take forever, its pretty frustrating if your shuffling things around to get those last few points.

    Almost like they made it so painful in...
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    Ditto. Would give local 250 the finger if...

    Ditto.

    Would give local 250 the finger if that's the general condition, but its CA so that prob explains things.
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    That would be difficult since you not don't to...

    That would be difficult since you not don't to have PM rights yet.
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    Some of those messages are cut off so I can't...

    Some of those messages are cut off so I can't tell exactly what SET is telling that controller.

    I didn't test this with users setup, which looks like you do have them enabled. Doubt that has...
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    Here is the comms on a working live edit schedule...

    Here is the comms on a working live edit schedule change. Added 19:15 to 24:00 on Sunday, not that matters as its sending the whole schedule down from the looks of it.

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    Win10 Pro Version 1803 OS Build 17134.1040 ...

    Win10 Pro Version 1803 OS Build 17134.1040

    Somewhat doubt its something between win & SET that is at fault, but who knows.

    Don't normally look at schedules much via text comms, but I would...
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    Yep. Downloaded a blank schedule, went live and...

    Yep. Downloaded a blank schedule, went live and added / deleted times a few times checking against the web pages. Worked as expected at least with the two IQ4 firmware versions I tested it on.
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    Nope. We haven't had any calls or reports of...

    Nope. We haven't had any calls or reports of this either.

    Just messed around with SET v7.5 on Win10 & IQ4 v3.7 & 4.2, seems to work as expected.


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    So the crazy compatibility matrix lives on?

    So the crazy compatibility matrix lives on?
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    I think if you plan on living in population that...

    I think if you plan on living in population that cannot support a solid amount of work, your going to be traveling.

    City of 40K, how many techs required to service the buildings that actually have...
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    Am I the only one that thinks this behavior is...

    Am I the only one that thinks this behavior is complete nonsense?

    They spent the time to make sure at any point you cannot exceed (aka its a live total on the addition side), but if you...
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    Add metadata to the histories and use history...

    Add metadata to the histories and use history groupings.
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    Whatever they have setup to control it is going...

    Whatever they have setup to control it is going to be upstream of F8. Again its pretty tedious to reverse engineer the program from the web pages, but it can be done. Would have to look at all the...
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    We have seen this with N4. Had a mini-map of a...

    We have seen this with N4.

    Had a mini-map of a large building that the user could click on a section and drill into a area of the building. In a nutshell it was a wad of includes with the visible...
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    You cannot change the override value within the...

    You cannot change the override value within the driver because its connected to other blocks in the program. When W3 is true, the driver will be overridden to the value in K4. You can see these...
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    Can see it in the resource manager or in the...

    Can see it in the resource manager or in the license file.

    In the license file its a separate line that's called global capacity.
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    There is, not sure if was certain models of the...

    There is, not sure if was certain models of the edge or the HW clone of the edge controller that has it. Its new this year, so most niagara based controllers still have the crazy long boot times.
    ...
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    Bit of a headache to do this through the web...

    Bit of a headache to do this through the web pages, but it can be done. If you click on modules at the top, then drivers on the side it will show all the outputs setup in the program. Find this hot...
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    Wouldn't be too surprised. Your using a new...

    Wouldn't be too surprised.

    Your using a new controller. Many other controllers that program in niagara use custom paletts that are only available in their world. Even the NDIO had a custom...
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    Ditto. The folks that think they can bang out...

    Ditto. The folks that think they can bang out cookie cutter crap and have no idea how it works or how tailor to the specific building, makes a good business for those that do.

    Fast food vs fine...
  30. Lol, see this with some of our newer guys. They...

    Lol, see this with some of our newer guys. They want to prove they can figure out anything well past the point they should have just asked. Most come around after a few head bashing exercises, but...
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    License isn't your problem. There is no N4 ->...

    License isn't your problem.

    There is no N4 -> AX migration tool, so your stating over there.

    Make sure you install the same 32/64 bit AX install as your N4. 32 & 64 bit installs will generate...
  32. Hope that was 600v cable. Seeing the readings...

    Hope that was 600v cable. Seeing the readings went from 100s Mohm to < 100 ohms, smells like just maybe 1kv was a bit much.

    Same guy use an 1/2" impact to tighten control terminals?
  33. Thread: N4 API data

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    With the release of this, there isn't any...

    With the release of this, there isn't any additional screwing around needed anymore. Not sure what the pricing is on it, but it looks easy as for simple stuff but enough features to get your...
  34. Wouldn't assume that everything is low voltage. ...

    Wouldn't assume that everything is low voltage. On an install that size it not uncommon to be running series / parallel strings of panels at hundreds of volts at the end of the string. Sure low...
  35. Thread: N4 API data

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    Nice. What palette is that gem hiding in?

    Nice. What palette is that gem hiding in?
  36. "Penn State has 32 million square feet of...

    "Penn State has 32 million square feet of buildings, spread across dozens of state-wide campuses and 22,000 acres of land."

    32M sqft of building and they segmented things from a flat network mess....
  37. Just one reason for not to putting all your eggs...

    Just one reason for not to putting all your eggs in one basket.

    Almost always there is some glue logic for a building in there. Put all 50 buildings and this logic in one spot, what happens when...
  38. You can have multiple BACnet/IP ports each using...

    You can have multiple BACnet/IP ports each using a different UDP port.

    Niagara typically enforces unique device instances within the station, so bringing it all back to the supervisor (aka one...
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    Modulating / staged heat? Guessing a model...

    Modulating / staged heat?

    Guessing a model number is going to help.

    Trane has the basic seq in their IOM, its just the seq for every unit manufactured and you have to sort out whats delivered.
  40. Guessing its more to isolate the buildings rather...

    Guessing its more to isolate the buildings rather than deal with the possible nightmare of fixing all the addressing issues to make it one flat BACnet system.
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    Guessing your tuning policy is setup for write on...

    Guessing your tuning policy is setup for write on start, up, enabled. So at startup when its busy doing all the things it needs too, your telling it to try and write every writable point at the same...
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    Seen the very opposite with former co-workers...

    Seen the very opposite with former co-workers that moved on. It takes the right MC with backing, workload mix and vision to pull off. If it was easy, they would all be doing it.
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    Just as easy. Find your points and edit the...

    Just as easy. Find your points and edit the fallback or "in" slot you want.

    Normally I'm looking for things by point name. So add a match setup something like:

    name like "*Occ_Setpoint*"
  44. If its existing, you can likely leave the HW jace...

    If its existing, you can likely leave the HW jace as it lies. Do anything you want over the web UI in the jace. Connect, integrate, etc that over fox which it will happily do with Vykon or any...
  45. huh? What do you need other than workbench...

    huh?

    What do you need other than workbench which the maxline drivers are all handled within stock setup? Between Schneider / Vykon Jace, both using WB to setup and configure...what "extra"...
  46. Seems like the natural cycle of the older...

    Seems like the natural cycle of the older generation calling it quits and the newer ones getting into the workforce to me.

    Between our techs and service / analytics group, its 85+% millens now...
  47. BACnet points & niagra connections are separate...

    BACnet points & niagra connections are separate licenses. There is no reason you cannot suck everything up to a supervisor with BACnet/IP assuming you have enough capacity on the BACnet license.
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    Not only that, the fire hazard which could kill...

    Not only that, the fire hazard which could kill many more. 18 awg wire with 277 x2 will go full meltdown given a reason. Given the care of the cable routing, its a matter of time from the looks of...
  49. Its not unreasonable if your going to use...

    Its not unreasonable if your going to use niagara. You also will have access to the updates the minute they come out and not have to wait for other vendors that can lag 12+ months behind.
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    Letsencrypt.org does automatic renewals. Not...

    Letsencrypt.org does automatic renewals.

    Not practical for BMS.
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