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    You KNOW they did this do you?... Sounds like a...

    You KNOW they did this do you?... Sounds like a dim KNOWING Trump abused the power of the presidency.
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    Did I say itís all sunshine and roses? No... but...

    Did I say itís all sunshine and roses? No... but to compare it to the KGB at its worst is just asinine.
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    You seriously compare US to Russia like that???...

    You seriously compare US to Russia like that??? Go ahead and move there... that would fix you right up
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    You never give any dude...

    You never give any dude...
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    You of all people asking for documentation is...

    You of all people asking for documentation is downright laughable ;)

    But I had said that I would write more later, and still plan to after the day is over.
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    Funny the countries you mentioned. If you...

    Funny the countries you mentioned. If you remember in my first post I specifically mentioned Australia, and in my experience it is the one country where Trumps support is higher than Trump support...
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    The foreign citizens and businesses I know are...

    The foreign citizens and businesses I know are more critical of Trump than you would believe from their media potrayal.
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    But I completely agree about foreign aid and...

    But I completely agree about foreign aid and honestly wish we would halt all foreign aid by the government.
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    Iíll get into details later as Iím on the way to...

    Iíll get into details later as Iím on the way to the gym, but can for sure say Ukraine. While they know they depend on the US in certain ways, and many of their populace still would like to...
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    To start Iíll re-emphasize that what other...

    To start Iíll re-emphasize that what other countries think is really not important. But for yíall to think Trump has enhanced our international status is downright laughable. Yes, there are foreign...
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    How so? I can understand not caring what other...

    How so? I can understand not caring what other countries think... but if anything they are laughing more now than when Trump was elected.
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    How many freaking times do Gary and I have to...

    How many freaking times do Gary and I have to agree it is suspicious???
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    Why do you think this? While I agree Hunter...

    Why do you think this? While I agree Hunter working for Burisma smells, there is no actual proof of wrong doing that I know of. It is not like the US was the only country trying to get Shokin...
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    Just an example, and considering the absurdity of...

    Just an example, and considering the absurdity of the birther movement and that people still believe the nonsense, I think itís valid. Trump and Obama are different people, so different things are...
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    Valid point, often actions can serve more than...

    Valid point, often actions can serve more than one purpose, and I would say that if Trump can show his actions were in at least some part for the good of the nation, I would say it is ok. I just...
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    I strongly disagree. Look no further than the...

    I strongly disagree. Look no further than the stupid Ďbirtherí crap versus Obama. At least Trump faces real inquiries. And regardless, I know if they had the same ammunition, both GOP and...
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    Yes of course, and I see the levels as being...

    Yes of course, and I see the levels as being indistinguishable between Democrats and Republicans at large. There are differences between individual politicians. But the beasts as a whole are both...
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    Again... I did not say the corruption ranking of...

    Again... I did not say the corruption ranking of UA had anything to do with the point you were trying to make. The only reason I didn't "acknowledge" the point you were trying to make... is that I...
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    They would, and so did the GOP go after Obama in...

    They would, and so did the GOP go after Obama in similar fashion. And while I don't agree with the methods of modern politics... it is kind of their job to try and "win."
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    Yes, you admitted it was 3rd Europe rather than...

    Yes, you admitted it was 3rd Europe rather than 3rd world... but then you went on to act as if that difference is not a big deal. And I am sorry, but that difference is absolutely huge. They are...
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    I have myself several times agreed that there is...

    I have myself several times agreed that there is no valid reason for it other than the hopes of WH access. But that doesn't mean that access was given. And again... it is enough of a red flag in...
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    UA corruption simply isn't as bad as top 3 world...

    UA corruption simply isn't as bad as top 3 world would imply. Somalia/Syria etc are in a different league. I have never once denied that UA is corrupt. But you said top 3 world... which is wrong,...
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    Yep, I make mistakes... and I admit them. ;)

    Yep, I make mistakes... and I admit them. ;)
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    I had Poreshenko mixed up with Yancovich, my...

    I had Poreshenko mixed up with Yancovich, my mistake. But my main point is that top 3 Europe is worlds apart from top 3 world. I have never denied UA corruption, but it is improving rather...
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    Poroshenko was over 4 years, and when you realize...

    Poroshenko was over 4 years, and when you realize UA is a 25'ish year old country, that is forever ago. And I keep saying I am fine with demanding improvement from UA... but you should state their...
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    3rd worst in Europe is very different from 3rd in...

    3rd worst in Europe is very different from 3rd in the world. Europe you are talking about Belarus, Moldova, and then either Ukraine or Russia depending. Yes I jumped on it... because it was wrong,...
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    Your ignorance of UA is astounding, guess one of...

    Your ignorance of UA is astounding, guess one of the Fox and Friends told you this, and you simply believed it. Is UA corrupt, hell yes, but it is not even remotely close to being top 10 corrupt. ...
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    omg, talk about ďfake newsĒ taking things out of...

    omg, talk about ďfake newsĒ taking things out of context
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    Yes, the phone call is not proof... just smoke. ...

    Yes, the phone call is not proof... just smoke. When have I said otherwise?
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    Yes, there is a potential that Trump was truly...

    Yes, there is a potential that Trump was truly interested in UA corruption... I just personally don't believe it. There is also the chance that Biden was pure as snow... I don't believe that either.
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    Holy cow... how many times do I have to say I...

    Holy cow... how many times do I have to say I support investigating and holding Biden to the same standard??? Is English your second language?
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    The question is if witholding aid was for...

    The question is if witholding aid was for personal gain or not. Not just withholding. If Biden witheld aid for the benefit of Hunter... lock him up. If Trump witheld aid for his own personal...
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    Because ya'll don't seem to be using common sense...

    Because ya'll don't seem to be using common sense on this whole UA/Trump thing, and dismiss almost anything out of hand. But I will say it one more time...

    No one, not even Biden himself, has...
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    No

    No
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    The absolute arrogance you have to assume you...

    The absolute arrogance you have to assume you know the corruption in another country based on your personal political views in your country. Again... you donít know Shokin, you donít know UA...
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    Do you know Shokin? No

    Do you know Shokin? No
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    100% correct

    100% correct
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    No, neither the Dem attack nor Trump/Pub defense...

    No, neither the Dem attack nor Trump/Pub defense is objective nor has integrity. I do generally think Trumps defense is worse than the Dem attack in regards to dignity and constitutional issues...
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    It surely makes Trump appear more guilty...

    It surely makes Trump appear more guilty...
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    The whistleblower specifically stated in the...

    The whistleblower specifically stated in the report it was second hand information, as is acceptable under the law. And while not weighted as heavily, circumstantial evidence is not only used to...
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    This country is so divided... it is just insane. ...

    This country is so divided... it is just insane. The Dems and Pubs have us divided and conquered.
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    I do not believe Trump was investigating crime......

    I do not believe Trump was investigating crime... I think only Trumpers do.
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    It is illegal to have a foreign government assist...

    It is illegal to have a foreign government assist in election. And while I would agree it is legal to hold up aid... I am sure it violates law to do so for ones own personal gain. It is also...
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    So basically the "dems" cried wolf argument. ...

    So basically the "dems" cried wolf argument. Just like Gary said. And while I understand it, Trumps "defense" simply is unbelievable to me. And as for hard evidence, well the transcript the WH...
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    Well stated. I simply don't see any logic to the...

    Well stated. I simply don't see any logic to the "fighting UA corruption" claim. But while I suspect Trump is guilty, I also suspect the WH/Trump will effectively block any definitive proof coming...
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    The problem is that anyone, or any document that...

    The problem is that anyone, or any document that would show definitive/direct evidence has refused to testify/handed over. In my opinion, there is enough circumstantial evidence to compel the WH to...
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    My mom voted for Trump and was watching it saying...

    My mom voted for Trump and was watching it saying how effective, forthright and powerful a testimony Taylor gave.
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    You, nor anyone else in this thread has answered...

    You, nor anyone else in this thread has answered my questions, which is tedious indeed. Maybe I haven't articulated them well enough, but it seriously isn't complicated.

    Biden said that he...
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    You keep saying this but never explain...

    You keep saying this but never explain yourself... put that thinking cap on and logically explain where you think I am mistaken.
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    I obviously do not give Biden the benefit of...

    I obviously do not give Biden the benefit of doubt if I support investigating him... lol, seriously.

    You are just like the left, you think Trump did nothing wrong and Biden obviously guilty. The...
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