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    Exactly. The fact they have seemingly removed...

    Exactly. The fact they have seemingly removed how to recover from the IPL menu and the files required to do so only points in that direction. They want it to clear the warranty and after that its...
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    PX export tags are used to push Jace graphics up...

    PX export tags are used to push Jace graphics up to a supervisor.

    They become a real nightmare real quick given you need to substitute nav ords and such. Would avoid their use like the plague.
  3. Smart installer under N4 free now even on third...

    Smart installer under N4 free now even on third party jaces?
  4. That's just a listing. Doesn't say much about who...

    That's just a listing. Doesn't say much about who can get it.
  5. That's going to vary by location and AX vs N4....

    That's going to vary by location and AX vs N4. Least with one of them.
  6. Would make sure BACnet routing is enabled on the...

    Would make sure BACnet routing is enabled on the Jace. Your also likely to need to setup BBMDs if your on a diff subnet than the Jace.
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    Your almost certainly missing some jars that are...

    Your almost certainly missing some jars that are used in that station.

    Unknown type EnhancedHyperlinkBinding

    Pretty sure that's part of vykonpro.
  8. :eek2: Sounds simple enough to have reasonable...

    :eek2: Sounds simple enough to have reasonable references in your program.
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    So I did hit up one of our subs and asked. They...

    So I did hit up one of our subs and asked. They shot me a simple 30 VAV box quote. It was 18% more for all IP. This is a union contractor that has something like 100 trucks rolling, they pretty...
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    http://www.taylor-engineering.com/Websites/taylore...

    http://www.taylor-engineering.com/Websites/taylorengineering/articles/ASHRAE_Journal_-_BAS_Control_of_VAV_Labs.pdf
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    The main point of the piece was using comms...

    The main point of the piece was using comms within a lab space is stupid.

    Reaction times suck, reliability sucks, service is a nightmare, etc.

    Most these packaged systems, by any vendor, cannot...
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    The station is making an outbound request for...

    The station is making an outbound request for weather data. It doesn't need a port open in almost every case.

    Using this service is just death by a million failures as history has taught us time...
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    I'll have to dig up a recent ASHRAE mag you...

    I'll have to dig up a recent ASHRAE mag you should also drop in. Today's labs and their complexity doing anything over comms within a space, not a great idea IMO. Not sure how Delta handles it, but...
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    Never mind. Didn't read completely.

    Never mind. Didn't read completely.
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    Fireworks will happen at some point. I spent...

    Fireworks will happen at some point.

    I spent about $1.5K in insulation test gear to make sure I could well exceed the rating with some reasonable insulation measurement and have 3 samples of said...
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    And when one thinks about 24vac, you have to plan...

    And when one thinks about 24vac, you have to plan on non-earth referenced 'floating' tranys.

    Many devices expect the 24vac common to be earth referenced and the USB, MSTP, etc is all referenced...
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    Ditto in all regards. PoE as I understand...

    Ditto in all regards.



    PoE as I understand it is like any other standard and there are just as many flavors as wifi. My home switches support .af which does handshake. They also support...
  18. Pressure sensors are very temperature dependent. ...

    Pressure sensors are very temperature dependent. In this app (24/7/365), unless you have an active valving assembly that can truly zero it at regular intervals...its prob not good enough as a sole...
  19. And again to the ball in the wall, people in...

    And again to the ball in the wall, people in these types of spaces typicaly have a fairly rigorous protocol to follow already. Adding thou shall check ones balls are the right spot before...
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    Just a quick look it would seem these 'redundant'...

    Just a quick look it would seem these 'redundant' switches are just dual power supply. Guessing those two supplies are shared across all the ports. Fair enough.

    If one is daisy chaining PoE runs...
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    Only till building owners figure the game out. ...

    Only till building owners figure the game out. Since they typically have buildings of various vintages and hold them for decades, would assume at some point the smarter few have the light bulb (PoE...
  22. Put a check in the certain box then :)

    Put a check in the certain box then :)
  23. If you have supplies with the volumes being set...

    If you have supplies with the volumes being set by static balance damper, would suspect things would control stable regardless how you do it. Any fluctuation from the VAVs will just get sucked up...
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    Do the same, use them everywhere. Equipment PX...

    Do the same, use them everywhere. Equipment PX will have a monitoring, settings, schedule and history tab. Loads up fine unless your putting a million points on them.

    Pretty sure the tab look is...
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    Yea, the race to more complicated stuff that's...

    Yea, the race to more complicated stuff that's less reliable than what it replaces!



    I'm betting apples 4 apples comp, the install cost is a near wash if anything. Ie, cabling assuming daisy...
  26. I would request they give you both with a...

    I would request they give you both with a software switch to select between them if it where me. Try both see what happens. One could easily setup a airflow out of wack alarm if the duct static is...
  27. This isn't computing yet. You have a "constant...

    This isn't computing yet. You have a "constant volume" unit but the fans are varying off duct static or AFMS + VAVs?

    Guessing the OA unit is supposed to deliver a constant volume and the "VAVs"...
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    IEC as an org vs specific specs are a very...

    IEC as an org vs specific specs are a very different thing.

    A multi-vendor programming spec is a great idea. Without multi-vendor support in the market, the specific spec has no more value than...
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    LOL! Keep up the good work. It would be nice to...

    LOL! Keep up the good work. It would be nice to see things change. The realist in me thinks its going to be a while. Would love to be wrong in this case.
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    Indeed. The creator/collector of the data is...

    Indeed. The creator/collector of the data is pretty well versed in digesting it however.

    Its a foodie, dining on its native food.
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    The reality is it doesn't really matter what...

    The reality is it doesn't really matter what people like me want. If HW & JCI switched to 61499 overnight, we would be using it. Even if we wanted to use 61499 today, with only one supplier....it...
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    Software development is not our business, nor...

    Software development is not our business, nor will it ever be. It would be far less hassle to take what we have learned with skyspark and just build it into control logic requesting additional...
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    Fair enough. How many suppliers offer support...

    Fair enough. How many suppliers offer support for it and how available are experienced people with it?

    We hire a handful of collage interns at every opportunity. Its not uncommon we have 3-4...
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    And how hard would that be to do within the...

    And how hard would that be to do within the current control logic? Have single blocks to calc btus now. It would be trivial to set this up in a standard program that's just there from the start. ...
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    Perhaps I wasn't very clear. If you want your...

    Perhaps I wasn't very clear. If you want your hardware and cover all expenses to bring it to market, sure there out there.

    To pitch and idea and a few decide to cover all costs to bring devices...
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    And how many of them have installed complete...

    And how many of them have installed complete commercial buildings solely with 3rd party software tools? If so, can they make use of the full functionality of the devices with these 3rd party tools?
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    That bunch doesn't typically in house design,...

    That bunch doesn't typically in house design, market, support hardware products. Not sure I see that route much smoother than talking to the existing cronies.
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    And you just lost every serous hardware vendor......

    And you just lost every serous hardware vendor...

    Better luck selling garlic and holy water to a bunch of vampires.
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    You can power with via mini-USB. I would...

    You can power with via mini-USB.



    I would be shocked if they don't run some hardware checks before cct works with it. So one would need to reverse all that non-sense. If one did and was...
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    Almost begs someone to crack it open and verify...

    Almost begs someone to crack it open and verify if there are any real issues with component supply...

    Would quite comical if all the major components are readily available in production quantities.
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    Fleebay usually has no shortage for handheld...

    Fleebay usually has no shortage for handheld scopes. Older models can typically be snatched up for a few hundred bucks. See wads of Fluke scopemeters on there. With the Flukes, any really, make...
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    Incompetent RnD coupled with bone head management...

    Incompetent RnD coupled with bone head management that wants to kill prior products that actually work.

    JCI apparently would rather waste more time in support for that turd then just...
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    Only commission it under Niagara if you want any...

    Only commission it under Niagara if you want any bindings Niagara is aware of. If you make all the bindings within Niagara you want, fire away. If your not sure, step away from that button until...
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    If you do that, it will torch any existing...

    If you do that, it will torch any existing bindings.

    Commission wisely Danielson...
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    If that tubing is dry, how are you getting...

    If that tubing is dry, how are you getting condensation in the sensor? There shouldn't be any flow in those lines, so its stagnate water at near room temp.

    If the tubing leading in has no signs...
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    Prob just crap sensors and they are leaking. No...

    Prob just crap sensors and they are leaking. No flow thur the sensor and the piping isnt downhill to the sensor. Condensation or drips following the tubing shouldn't be a problem.
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    Just another protocol other than it does support...

    Just another protocol other than it does support encryption, authentication and auditing which the others all basically lack.



    Correct. You can bounce between the super and N4 Jaces. Hard to...
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    If you want to expose BACnet points on a Jace,...

    If you want to expose BACnet points on a Jace, you need to create them under BACnetNetwork\Local Device\export table.
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    Dist includes the licneses and IP info and some...

    Dist includes the licneses and IP info and some other minor stuff.

    It does not include any jars, alarms or history database.

    So its nice if you need to reload a station, but really licenses, IP...
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    Station copier is alot less messing around. ...

    Station copier is alot less messing around.

    Unless I know I have all the modules running in that station, I will grab that folder off the station as well. No fun to get back to home base and find...
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