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  1. https://imgur.com/goJsKcC Helps to post the image

    https://imgur.com/goJsKcC
    Helps to post the image
  2. Sometimes a picture is helpful. I assume you are...

    Sometimes a picture is helpful. I assume you are talking about BACnet.https://imgur.com/goJsKcC
    You can multi-select data points and apply settings. Note also you can go to polling or use the client...
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    You would have the same performance issue. I see...

    You would have the same performance issue. I see the other guy doesn't know. Maybe you can ask them what that would be and maybe they tell you.

    The easy solution that is fast is LON-IP license and...
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    I think this is an issue, and not a small one....

    I think this is an issue, and not a small one. And, let's let the Tbox experts tell you why this is rather than imitate crickets.
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    That's a double no. Dual termination when you...

    That's a double no. Dual termination when you don't have a daisy chain and you aren't measuring resistance in the network to do you much good for anything. A LON terminator is not only a resistor....
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    Yep. You need a professional to handle it because...

    Yep. You need a professional to handle it because it tends to work somehow with the most ridiculous cabling.
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    I'll bite on this one... Why do you think...

    I'll bite on this one... Why do you think integrators are not fond of JAVA?

    Secondly, "pretty much everything except..." that's a big one, don't you think?

    I think for embedded devices...
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    In the past more the original idea for LON was...

    In the past more the original idea for LON was more of a sensor network. Then, they came out with Pyxos and were saying things like embed that in your floor or carpeting. So not the media changes to...
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    You need to see what we are offering now. The...

    You need to see what we are offering now. The only thing I add is that on the hardware it's good to have a consistent platform that you can buy next year... and the next 10. There is an initiative...
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    It's a system certification. it's why I tell...

    It's a system certification. it's why I tell every owner avoid it if possible. We have listed product used by other vendors. Therefore, we don't have the listing for smoke on that product as it is...
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    In buildings now there is no common language. In...

    In buildings now there is no common language. In the American lighting mafia network it's full of proprietary. There is DALI, but not BACnet. Then you have access control, fire, cameras... mostly...
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    Actually, the problem is that it gets wide open....

    Actually, the problem is that it gets wide open. But, I see something taking over rather quickly as a go to - and it's not JAVA.
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    The disruption is companies doing things without...

    The disruption is companies doing things without BACnet.
    BACnet is restricting the industry and preventing more "commodity" pricing and lack of the ability to do things with other systems and the...
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    All the hardware is like this. A lot of extra...

    All the hardware is like this. A lot of extra features.

    Check out the 585 controller. It's a unitary controller that has an actuator frame kit and then it's a VAV. Now you can stock a single...
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    I don't make a claim to have all the answers....

    I don't make a claim to have all the answers. This is what you specialize and trying to say about me Sam. To the point I get the impression you have a vested interest not to want to see too much...
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    Sam, first if you can identify marketing...

    Sam, first if you can identify marketing information from the company I'm with, let me know it. I'd actually like to have some. So would the customers.

    Tell me you aren't thinking about jamming...
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    Your issues are with CHIPKIN. That's where the...

    Your issues are with CHIPKIN. That's where the information is from. Take it up with them.
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    I think it's better to wait to see if Sam...

    I think it's better to wait to see if Sam reappears and then address your comment because as usual you selectively craft your story.

    I'm aware of many things on MSTP. Vendors who employ what I...
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    "The more you read and the greater the frequency...

    "The more you read and the greater the frequency the more bandwidth that will be consumed.

    It takes approx 30 bytes to poll for a single property. It takes about 40 bytes to reply. A token is 8...
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    I make the assumption for BACnet as in the...

    I make the assumption for BACnet as in the comments it was directed at that if you read it entirely, BACnet MSTP. However, you know that already. Certainly I wasn't referring to Modbus or other.
    ...
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    Sure Sam. Others are putting in multi-function...

    Sure Sam. Others are putting in multi-function ethernet controllers for Lighting, HVAC and other building functions reducing the number of nodes in a system just for a single discipline to about a...
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    Overhead.

    Overhead.
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    What I'm saying is it isn't BACnet and that it...

    What I'm saying is it isn't BACnet and that it needs to be tied in a system. Fieldbus is isolated to mundane things. I thought by default anyone would understand at least TCP. You get it, others...
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    Nice response. First, you say that a protocol...

    Nice response.

    First, you say that a protocol is not needed. Thanks. That's my point. Now you can research who is doing things on how IoT devices are assembled and you will see what's coming.
    On...
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    The parts that kill you from my standpoint are...

    The parts that kill you from my standpoint are related, and it's not anything to do with technical. It's not having a good business plan/sense and not maintaining cash flow. And, I don't mind having...
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    Both EBAC/Circon and LOYTEC allow full system...

    Both EBAC/Circon and LOYTEC allow full system balancing I'm aware of in addition to local balancing. And, regarding accuracy that you can see in the specifications. so hardware plays a role. I'll...
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    I have some points for your consideration on this...

    I have some points for your consideration on this maybe you can answer Mitch:

    I'm using Google or Microsoft to schedule, why should I use BACnet?
    I want secure communication, why do I want to use...
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    I agree with your BACnet statement. ASHRAE has...

    I agree with your BACnet statement. ASHRAE has done good damage to technological advancement in the industry with BACnet. But, the end is in sight on that behavior.
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    What was that very loud tax dollar sucking sound?...

    What was that very loud tax dollar sucking sound? .... buying a controller many, many times the cost of different choice with a better security and encryption history on an entire project. Wow.

    I...
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    Yes, and a company made a decision on it and...

    Yes, and a company made a decision on it and thought about what was going to be in the release and went with that and released early. So, that company had multiple formats for graphics in the same...
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    You use a JACE as a unitary or VAV controller? I...

    You use a JACE as a unitary or VAV controller? I don't think so.
    How long has a JACE used HTML5? Customizable HTML5?

    Good choice for javascript. I think it's a better option than JAVA for an...
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    I think the first thing is when I write a...

    I think the first thing is when I write a statement you don't get to set the criteria afterwards for a proof test of what sonstitutes a technology first. Maybe you did it unintentionally, but I don't...
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    LOYTEC I think LOYTEC does most things first...

    LOYTEC

    I think LOYTEC does most things first and others try to follow with similar technology.

    Multi-protocol IP controllers with built in servers (web, javascript, OPC...) and ability for...
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    How flattering. Better later than never.

    How flattering. Better later than never.
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    This is good for configuring a router. My...

    This is good for configuring a router.

    My opinion is that it's far easier and reliable to use Smart Switch mode.
    Setup the router for Smart Switch.
    Add the JACE IP to the channel list. Since you...
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    HVAC controls guys have the best advantage...

    HVAC controls guys have the best advantage because they understand control networks better than these "integrators" and certainly significantly better than the lighting guys.

    Unfortunately, when...
  37. Definitely start looking at everything

    Definitely start looking at everything
  38. This seems extremely slow and limiting.

    This seems extremely slow and limiting.
  39. The more I think about this brings up another...

    The more I think about this brings up another point. The LVIS is not a JACE. It is capable of requesting and providing data on a LON network at a significantly higher rate than any JACE can deliver. ...
  40. The other thing is that with a JACE and a LVIS on...

    The other thing is that with a JACE and a LVIS on a network you may want to analyze the network and the traffic if the data is in order.
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    They have had IPV6 for many years. Never...

    They have had IPV6 for many years. Never published it. The interface is in the manual and you can download the latest config tool and see it. At the AHR show there will be a demo with SONOS and a...
  42. Maybe the unresponsiveness is lack of...

    Maybe the unresponsiveness is lack of information.

    With LON devices they have resource files. Look at your scan or XIF you are using. If you have a bunch of "unknown" types, this means your...
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    Forgot to mention - all the hardware now has IoT...

    Forgot to mention - all the hardware now has IoT interface available. If you need to write interface to things like projectors, Alexa, google scheduler... you can do it.
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    If you do all your own programming then I'd say...

    If you do all your own programming then I'd say look at LOYTEC. You can program in graphical or line programming. You can mix/match so there isn't any restrictions. You can also do the graphical with...
  45. I guess I'm like everyone else here - don't know...

    I guess I'm like everyone else here - don't know what you have and how it's setup.

    What Honeywell devices?
    What is the architecture?

    The LVIS has a Modbus packet capture function, so you can...
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    Then you already know it's all over. Let me know...

    Then you already know it's all over. Let me know if you think you can hold back the internet. I'm going to guess... no chance.

    Anyway, we will have working and running hardware like we always do...
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    I'll let you research yourself about the rate of...

    I'll let you research yourself about the rate of adoption
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    I think you could pick out some plots for Modbus...

    I think you could pick out some plots for Modbus and BACnet too, but I'm preferring cremation. But, start thinking to add those to the list of unnecessary things.
    Brings me back to questioning a...
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    Can't you just license LON-IP? Buy LOYTEC...

    Can't you just license LON-IP? Buy LOYTEC routers. The entire network will perform much better than a FT-10 on a JACE.
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    Look at the new lighting objects and BIBBS. So...

    Look at the new lighting objects and BIBBS. So much for just having simple analog and binary and complaining about SNVT types.
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