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I don't need no stinking boxes.[emoji3]

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Originally Posted by JayMan7

I've only gotten 1 gray jug and Im the only one at my company to get one...have you all gotten so many by now that you're actually having to engrave them?

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We have probably twenty some jugs so far. I work for the government and are required to keep tracking logs. The engraver marks the bottle with the refrigerant and a tracking number.

Originally Posted by Answer-Man

Since day one I have used a pickup with a utility box, just never liked a van. I know many who love their van. Job Box for refrigerants sounds like a good idea.

I thought the van was alright but after getting a utility bed truck I can't imagine going back.
I feel bad for my boss because he has a van and he has never liked it he only got it because it was the right price at the right time and now he has been stuck with it for 10 years. [emoji3]

I am also planning to build a copper tubing holder that is lined with carpet to go in the box because I hate dented copper.

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Since day one I have used a pickup with a utility box, just never liked a van. I know many who love their van. Job Box for refrigerants sounds like a good idea.

I just bought a job box for my truck bed to hold my tanks.

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I tried leaving in the box once, it was such a pain. I took it out of the box when I was done on that job I put it back in the box. By the end of the week the boxes were so beat up I had to start using duct tape to hold them together. Over the years I've collected about a dozen milk crates they work great for setting the bottles in. It's not uncommon to have 6 - 8 bottles in the truck. I've out grown my bottle rack

Originally Posted by Answer-Man

Go find a DOT trooper and ask. I don't think the federal DOT gives a rat's rump if you have a rack or not as long as it stays in the box, but don't take my opinion for it go ask them. I've driven past many a DOT guy in my area and they don't even give my truck a second look. But then there are places like slctech talked about in post #43

I think I will refrain from asking.[emoji3]
If I ever get a fine I will start keeping the boxes. I can't stand the cardboard it drives me nuts.


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Originally Posted by JustaHVACguy

Omg NO!
Refrigerant is only suposed to be transported secured in racks.

Go find a DOT trooper and ask. I don't think the federal DOT gives a rat's rump if you have a rack or not as long as it stays in the box, but don't take my opinion for it go ask them. I've driven past many a DOT guy in my area and they don't even give my truck a second look. But then there are places like slctech talked about in post #43

Originally Posted by Answer-Man

I thought one of the new requirements is the bottle was supposed to stay in the cardboard box it came in? (more so to keep them from rolling around) I've got two bottles of 134 sitting next to the door to go to the truck. On the top of the box it says: Cylinder to remain in the box. If true who care what color the bottle is as long as it has a label on it.

Omg NO!
Refrigerant is only suposed to be transported secured in racks.

I just got some of the new gray drums & I couldn't find anywhere on the box where it said the drum had to stay in the box.

Originally Posted by slctech

Here in Utah, you are required to transport your jugs in a the box, it is a DOT requirement. I know no one does. I have talked before about my DOT experience, I was cited for a 85% full recovery tank, an acetylene tank that was not secured, and a warning that my refrigerant cylinders must remain in the original box during transportation on the public roads.

In 2004, a $350 dollar ticket was a lot of money! Company paid it since the DOT put them on the ticket, too.

Here the Utah Highway Patrol DOT check points Lovvvvvve HVAC trucks and vans. I have been pulled over three times since at check points they set up and passed, one guy did give me warning that PVC Glue and PVC Solvents require an MSDS sheet, too. So I printed those off and added it to the book of MSDS's I kept in the glove compartment.

Now where I work and it is private property, I don't give a rats butt about the DOT. Feel like Beavis and Butthead when I have a recovery cylinder bursting at the brim at 110% full heading across plant...."Breaking the law, breaking the law...."

Back to the OP...this is the first I have heard of this new ruling on cylinder colors, too. Good to know. I think of that Genesis song "We live in a land of confusion....oh pink cylinder where are you now? you magically changed to grey somehow......

I have the tank racks with straps..all recovery ones strapped to the walls..no issues.

All solvents are in the enclosed bins..with cardboard bottoms and sides should any spill

Here in Utah, you are required to transport your jugs in a the box, it is a DOT requirement. I know no one does. I have talked before about my DOT experience, I was cited for a 85% full recovery tank, an acetylene tank that was not secured, and a warning that my refrigerant cylinders must remain in the original box during transportation on the public roads.

In 2004, a $350 dollar ticket was a lot of money! Company paid it since the DOT put them on the ticket, too.

Here the Utah Highway Patrol DOT check points Lovvvvvve HVAC trucks and vans. I have been pulled over three times since at check points they set up and passed, one guy did give me warning that PVC Glue and PVC Solvents require an MSDS sheet, too. So I printed those off and added it to the book of MSDS's I kept in the glove compartment.

Now where I work and it is private property, I don't give a rats butt about the DOT. Feel like Beavis and Butthead when I have a recovery cylinder bursting at the brim at 110% full heading across plant...."Breaking the law, breaking the law...."

Back to the OP...this is the first I have heard of this new ruling on cylinder colors, too. Good to know. I think of that Genesis song "We live in a land of confusion....oh pink cylinder where are you now? you magically changed to grey somehow......

Originally Posted by theoldscroll

Just got a new shipment of 410A and the cylinders are an off white color (Dynatemp brand). I thought the cylinder color was susposed to be constant to keep people puttin in the right stuff. Did i miss somethin here while workin 90 hr weeks, or can mfg's just paint cylinders whatever the hell they want? Or have I just missed out on something that has changed in the industry.

I have not seen this yet in my area but I’d just spray paint it. I keep a few different colors on hand... yes including hot pink.

Originally Posted by 2sac

404A has always been 24lbs. 410A will continue to be 25, and 134A, R22, 409A etc will remain 30lbs

That probably has to do with refrigerant density and fill capacity if I were to make a guess off the cuff. Someone correct me if I’m wrong.


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Originally Posted by Unlimited1

Uh oh! Looks like net weight is 24lbs..they are skimping/shaving 1 lb...I’m used to a full 25lbs

404A has always been 24lbs. 410A will continue to be 25, and 134A, R22, 409A etc will remain 30lbs

Originally Posted by Unlimited1

Uh oh! Looks like net weight is 24lbs..they are skimping/shaving 1 lb...I’m used to a full 25lbs

that doesn't seem a bit shady at all does it?

Originally Posted by Turtleman

I heard this was to happen a few years back.

Uh oh! Looks like net weight is 24lbs..they are skimping/shaving 1 lb...I’m used to a full 25lbs

Originally Posted by 2sac

22 is no longer being manufactured. It will stay green. I'm a manager at a supply house. So far, the only grey tanks I have seen are 410a

I heard this was to happen a few years back.

I haven’t seen the new ones yet..are they 30lb or 25lb total weight containers? Some mfg have been doing this I noticed..
I do refrigerant counts monthly as inventory with my scale..30lb have 25 lbs of refrigerant and 25lb has 20.5lbs in it ..

It does say on the box to do not remove cylinder from box lmao. Lots of mixed refrigerants on accident will be happening.