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07-28-2010, 09:53 AM
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07-28-2010, 10:28 AM
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Regarding healthcare Mr. Wynn apparently does not realize that totally getting rid of malpractice lawsuits would lower costs by 1-1 1/2%. And reform would be a fraction of that. Not to mention the real loss of freedom that would result. I only hope your family does not get affected by such an event. Malpractice lawsuits are rare, expensive and hard to prove and frivelous ones even rarer. As part of a true single payer system it might be a good compromise, in and of itself it does next to nothing.
Mr. Wynn's explaination of supply and demand seems to miss the fact that most of these 32 million do get more expensive and ineffectual care at emergency rooms. And reform would result in cost savings and better results. The above facts were widely reported everywhere except "Fox News" and AM radio in general. So I can only assume any reasonably well informed person already knows this. And if you are not, you have bigger problems.
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07-28-2010, 12:59 PM
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Originally Posted by pageyjim
Regarding healthcare Mr. Wynn apparently does not realize that totally getting rid of malpractice lawsuits would lower costs by 1-1 1/2%. And reform would be a fraction of that. Not to mention the real loss of freedom that would result. I only hope your family does not get affected by such an event. Malpractice lawsuits are rare, expensive and hard to prove and frivelous ones even rarer. As part of a true single payer system it might be a good compromise, in and of itself it does next to nothing.
Mr. Wynn's explaination of supply and demand seems to miss the fact that most of these 32 million do get more expensive and ineffectual care at emergency rooms. And reform would result in cost savings and better results. The above facts were widely reported everywhere except "Fox News" and AM radio in general. So I can only assume any reasonably well informed person already knows this. And if you are not, you have bigger problems.
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Who are you going to sue? Obama? lol
Excellent video.
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07-28-2010, 01:45 PM
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Regarding healthcare Mr. Wynn apparently does not realize that totally getting rid of malpractice lawsuits would lower costs by 1-1 1/2%. And reform would be a fraction of that. Not to mention the real loss of freedom that would result. I only hope your family does not get affected by such an event. Malpractice lawsuits are rare, expensive and hard to prove and frivelous ones even rarer. As part of a true single payer system it might be a good compromise, in and of itself it does next to nothing.
Mr. Wynn's explaination of supply and demand seems to miss the fact that most of these 32 million do get more expensive and ineffectual care at emergency rooms. And reform would result in cost savings and better results. The above facts were widely reported everywhere except "Fox News" and AM radio in general. So I can only assume any reasonably well informed person already knows this. And if you are not, you have bigger problems.
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So you agreed with the rest of it!!!!
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07-28-2010, 02:14 PM
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So you agreed with the rest of it!!!!
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No I'm sorry lol. I am sure this has been argued back and forth forever. It would take a longer answere to reply thoughtfully so I let it go. But the day is young.
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07-28-2010, 04:29 PM
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No I'm sorry lol. I am sure this has been argued back and forth forever. It would take a longer answere to reply thoughtfully so I let it go. But the day is young. 
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In other words, you have neither the facts nor the energy to spin this.
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07-29-2010, 12:00 AM
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Certainly learned his teabagger talking points well.
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07-29-2010, 12:32 AM
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There is no such thing as gravity; Obama sucks!
With as badly as Obama has treated Las Vegas, which is a heavily union labor city, it's a wonder he hasn't woke with some animal head in his bed. I mean besides Michele.
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07-29-2010, 08:42 AM
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Certainly learned his teabagger talking points well.
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Really ? All you guys can do is ........... you know
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07-29-2010, 05:33 PM
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Originally Posted by pageyjim
Regarding healthcare Mr. Wynn apparently does not realize that totally getting rid of malpractice lawsuits would lower costs by 1-1 1/2%. And reform would be a fraction of that. Not to mention the real loss of freedom that would result. I only hope your family does not get affected by such an event. Malpractice lawsuits are rare, expensive and hard to prove and frivelous ones even rarer. As part of a true single payer system it might be a good compromise, in and of itself it does next to nothing.
Mr. Wynn's explaination of supply and demand seems to miss the fact that most of these 32 million do get more expensive and ineffectual care at emergency rooms. And reform would result in cost savings and better results. The above facts were widely reported everywhere except "Fox News" and AM radio in general. So I can only assume any reasonably well informed person already knows this. And if you are not, you have bigger problems.
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Really? rare? Oh great shooter of Bovine Scat, care to back up that bit of genius: http://medicalmalpracticelawblog.com...tice-lawsuits/
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The success rate of medical malpractice suits is only nearly a quarter of the total number filed. This is a much lower percentage of success than other tort cases, however the amount of compensation awarded in malpractice cases is significantly higher.
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http://www.wrongdiagnosis.com/medica...statistics.htm
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07-29-2010, 06:28 PM
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I guess Fox "News" or AM radio doesn't cover this stuff huh? Thanks for helping make my argument for the need of medical malpractice lawsuits. My use of the word rare regarding the occurance of medical malpractice may have been subjective, but the main point was that frivelous lawsuits were rare and have virtually no effect on healthcare costs. I'm familiar with those articles and they only show that if tort reform were to pass a lot of injured people wouldn't be rightfully compensated. And it would have very little effect on healthcare costs. Medical malpractice no matter how much it happens can be tragic to the people affected.
http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/news/pre...s05102006.html
http://prescriptions.blogs.nytimes.c...th-care-costs/
"However, the direct cost of malpractice suits amounts to only about 0.5% of all healthcare spending, and a 2006 Harvard study showed that over 90% of the malpractice suits examined contained evidence of injury to the patient and that frivolous suits were generally readily dismissed by the courts.[81] A 2005 study estimated the cost around 0.2%, and in 2009 insurer WellPoint Inc. said "liability wasn’t driving premiums."[82] Counting both direct and indirect costs, other studies estimate the total cost of malpractice "is linked to" between 5% and 10% of total U.S. medical costs.[83] A 2004 report by the Congressional Budget Office put medical malpractice costs at 2% of U.S. health spending and "even significant reductions" would do little to reduce the growth of health-care expenses."
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07-29-2010, 08:25 PM
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Originally Posted by pageyjim
I guess Fox "News" or AM radio doesn't cover this stuff huh? Thanks for helping make my argument for the need of medical malpractice lawsuits. My use of the word rare regarding the occurance of medical malpractice may have been subjective, but the main point was that frivelous lawsuits were rare and have virtually no effect on healthcare costs. I'm familiar with those articles and they only show that if tort reform were to pass a lot of injured people wouldn't be rightfully compensated. And it would have very little effect on healthcare costs. Medical malpractice no matter how much it happens can be tragic to the people affected.
http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/news/pre...s05102006.html
http://prescriptions.blogs.nytimes.c...th-care-costs/
"However, the direct cost of malpractice suits amounts to only about 0.5% of all healthcare spending, and a 2006 Harvard study showed that over 90% of the malpractice suits examined contained evidence of injury to the patient and that frivolous suits were generally readily dismissed by the courts.[81] A 2005 study estimated the cost around 0.2%, and in 2009 insurer WellPoint Inc. said "liability wasn’t driving premiums."[82] Counting both direct and indirect costs, other studies estimate the total cost of malpractice "is linked to" between 5% and 10% of total U.S. medical costs.[83] A 2004 report by the Congressional Budget Office put medical malpractice costs at 2% of U.S. health spending and "even significant reductions" would do little to reduce the growth of health-care expenses."
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You bring up AM Radio and Fox News in order to belittle someone's view
Then....offer up a Harvard study and a NY Times blog.
Throw in the CBO's opinion and..  
So, your biased democrat hack editorials prove what pagey?
I know, I know...another post without saying anything....blah, blah, blah
estimate.....estimate....estimate...estimate
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08-01-2010, 07:48 PM
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Originally Posted by daytonafan
You bring up AM Radio and Fox News in order to belittle someone's view
Then....offer up a Harvard study and a NY Times blog.
Throw in the CBO's opinion and..  
So, your biased democrat hack editorials prove what pagey?
I know, I know...another post without saying anything....blah, blah, blah
estimate.....estimate....estimate...estimate
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You are comparing Harvard, NY Times, and CBO with Fox and AM radio? I'm speechless, there truly is no hope. Now I know you must be messing with me.
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