Trane LON controls - Tridium Enterprise system?

[rbricker]

On a new Construction job that we recently award a contract for, we had specified that we wanted a control system consisting of LON certified controllers with a Tridium front end, with an open license. Our intention is that this would eventually be connected to similar systems in over 100 other buildings to create an enterprise system utilizing a Tridium server to connect them.

We received submittals from a Trane office for a system consisting primarily of:

90+ Trane ZN510 controllers - on Trane Water Source Heat Pumps, and
3 Trane MP-581 Controllers - on larger equipment

For the local front end they appearently intend to use:


JENE-PC1- 1 - JENE Lontalk Comm Card LONCARD-LIC (Lynxspring)
JENE-PC1-NC-LIC 1 - Niagra Server Software (Lynxspring)
Jene Power Supply 3 - Jene Power Supply (Lynxspring)
JENE-PC1064 1 - Jene-PC1064 Controller (Lynxspring)

This was copied form the submittals, but it doesn't look right to me. I am trying to find out if this is a good solution and if it meets specs. The Specs called for a system that could fully communicate with all the points in the controllers from the front end.

Is Lynxspring a good product for a front end for a Trane system? Does Lynxspring fully support Trane products?

After reading more about this, I am wondering if we would have been better to try using an LNS server for our Enterprise system instead of Tridium?

Our goal is to try to create a fully compatable enterprise system utilizing various brands of equipment without doing huge amounts of system integration work.

[GregF]

Originally Posted by rbricker

On a new Construction job that we recently award a contract for, we had specified that we wanted a control system consisting of LON certified controllers with a Tridium front end, with an open license. Our intention is that this would eventually be connected to similar systems in over 100 other buildings to create an enterprise system utilizing a Tridium server to connect them.

We received submittals from a Trane office for a system consisting primarily of:

90+ Trane ZN510 controllers - on Trane Water Source Heat Pumps, and
3 Trane MP-581 Controllers - on larger equipment

For the local front end they appearently intend to use:


JENE-PC1- 1 - JENE Lontalk Comm Card LONCARD-LIC (Lynxspring)
JENE-PC1-NC-LIC 1 - Niagra Server Software (Lynxspring)
Jene Power Supply 3 - Jene Power Supply (Lynxspring)
JENE-PC1064 1 - Jene-PC1064 Controller (Lynxspring)

This was copied form the submittals, but it doesn't look right to me. I am trying to find out if this is a good solution and if it meets specs. The Specs called for a system that could fully communicate with all the points in the controllers from the front end.

Is Lynxspring a good product for a front end for a Trane system? Does Lynxspring fully support Trane products?

After reading more about this, I am wondering if we would have been better to try using an LNS server for our Enterprise system instead of Tridium?

Our goal is to try to create a fully compatable enterprise system utilizing various brands of equipment without doing huge amounts of system integration work.

Unless I am missing something the system is Tridium rebranded Jene. You will be happy with the Tridium product on a site that large. I'm not sure about the trane controllers being lon certified, you can check this out via lonmark.

GregF

[freddy-b]

You are good with that proposal.
If you are 100 percent for sure you are going LON all the way..LNS is not a bad solution either.

[rbricker]

I plan to use LON on all future projects, but I would like to intregate some existing systems - NW8000, JCI-NAE/bacnet, and ALC (bacnet).

[freddy-b]

Originally Posted by rbricker

I plan to use LON on all future projects, but I would like to intregate some existing systems - NW8000, JCI-NAE/bacnet, and ALC (bacnet).

Then TridiumAX is definitely the way to go.

We are in your general area..E-Mail is in profile if interested.

[tk2k]

It looks like there are supposed to be 3 JENE's with lon, all talking Niagara to each other. I have integrated all the Trane product listed with no problems, using the Lynxspring product. I would suggest going with a little more memory on those controllers though. I know from experience that Lynxspring fully supports Trane.

[NINAX]

Originally Posted by rbricker

On a new Construction job that we recently award a contract for, we had specified that we wanted a control system consisting of LON certified controllers with a Tridium front end, with an open license. Our intention is that this would eventually be connected to similar systems in over 100 other buildings to create an enterprise system utilizing a Tridium server to connect them.

We received submittals from a Trane office for a system consisting primarily of:

90+ Trane ZN510 controllers - on Trane Water Source Heat Pumps, and
3 Trane MP-581 Controllers - on larger equipment

For the local front end they appearently intend to use:


JENE-PC1- 1 - JENE Lontalk Comm Card LONCARD-LIC (Lynxspring)
JENE-PC1-NC-LIC 1 - Niagra Server Software (Lynxspring)
Jene Power Supply 3 - Jene Power Supply (Lynxspring)
JENE-PC1064 1 - Jene-PC1064 Controller (Lynxspring)

This was copied form the submittals, but it doesn't look right to me. I am trying to find out if this is a good solution and if it meets specs. The Specs called for a system that could fully communicate with all the points in the controllers from the front end.

Is Lynxspring a good product for a front end for a Trane system? Does Lynxspring fully support Trane products?

After reading more about this, I am wondering if we would have been better to try using an LNS server for our Enterprise system instead of Tridium?

Our goal is to try to create a fully compatable enterprise system utilizing various brands of equipment without doing huge amounts of system integration work.

The JENE-PC1064 is a JACE-2, without extended memory.
Others may correct me, but I would say that it is woefully undersized for the 90+ controllers. It probably wouldn't work from day 1.

I would tell them a JENE-PC6256 needs to be installed, which is a JACE-6 with extended memory.

They must have left out something concerning the 90+ controllers on one bus to....

You might have been better off splitting the Tridium side from the equipment side of the project.
Their submittal wouldn't give me a warm and fuzzy that this office knows the Tridium side very well.
Or tell them to call in Webbyz from Cleveland.

I believe that if you plan on doing any self-maintaining, you're going to need Trane's Rover too.

[rbricker]

I think they really intend to use 3 - JENE-PC1064's, but that isn't clear from their submittals. Right now I have complained that the submittals are incomplete and don't meet specs.

I am wondering if a single Jace would work - if it was large enough?

That suggestion MIGHT be a good idea - to allowing someone else to do the Tridium integration - who knows what they are doing.

[willf650]

How does it not meet your spec?
From what you've said it is exactly what you speced. I would agree there is a typo in the number of controllers because why would you need three power supplies for one controller but it is what you asked for.

[rbricker]

The Specs called for:

Manufacturers: All products, insofar as possible and except as indicated, shall be the products of a single manufacturer. One controls contractor shall have responsibility for the complete control system for this project, except that the general Contractor is responsible for any required coordination between work under this Section and controls supplied as parts of equipment from other manufacturers

It seems to me that the Lynxsping products are from a different Manufacturer. Of course, we could still accept them, if we feel it is a good system. However, I think this gives us reason to possibly reject the entire system if we feel it is not what we want.

[rbricker]

Does anyone know if any wizards exist that would allow programming from the Tridium interface?

OOoops !! I meant, for Trane devices!

I suspect the answer is no, and the only option is to use Rover.

[freddy-b]

Originally Posted by rbricker

Does anyone know if any wizards exist that would allow programming from the Tridium interface?

I suspect the answer is no, and the only option is to use Rover.

There are tons of them.

Edit: you are being Trane specific. Then the answer is no.

[rbricker]

You already replied to the email I sent you, and said you were forwarding it to your Business Manager, Susan.