Have you looked at Mr. Obama's church?

[mrs reb77]

http://www.tucc.org/home.htm
I admit that I hadn't looked into this before now. Someone sent me an e-mail that's going around so I started looking for myself.
To the average American (who is AMERICAN FIRST) this is rather scary.
We even have "black churches" here where we live in 'bfe' but, one fundamental difference is that they all invite anyone to come share in their praise of god. It just so happens that most of their congregation is black--it isn't self professed or anything. And they certainly aren't "true to our native land," the mother continent, the cradle of civilization. If Mr. Obama were to (heaven forbid) obtain the Presidency of the United States of America would he still hold these same beliefs toward Africa? Will he adhere to number 4 in the 10 point visions:
A congregation with a non-negotiable COMMITMENT TO AFRICA.?
Have I just had too many whiskey and cokes tonight or does this alarm anyone else here?

[classical]

I am no fan of Obama (except I hope he beats Hillary) but I don't see anything wrong with the Churches Misson.

The Commitment to Africa doesn't necessarily mean a lack of Commitment to America.

[scrogdog]

'In the first place, we should insist that if the immigrant who comes here in good faith becomes an American and assimilates himself to us, he shall be treated on an exact equality with everyone else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed, or birthplace, or origin. But this is predicated upon the person's becoming in every facet an American, and nothing but an American...There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn't an American at all. We have room for but one flag, the American flag... We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language... and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people.'

Theodore Roosevelt 1907

[mrs reb77]

My question-when you are "unapologetically black" are you not 'racist'? If you went through that website and replaced the word black with white, what does it now look like?????

[troyorr]

I don't see a major threat from the church. Maybe you had to many whiskeys and Cokes. Now that your head has had a chance to clear, go back to the link you posted and reread about the church. I must be overlooking the black only fear you have. Where did you see that the church was for Blacks only?What is so scary? Can't a person be an American and still have a committment to their heritage and their faith?

[scrogdog]

We are a congregation which is Unashamedly Black and Unapologetically Christian... Our roots in the Black religious experience and tradition are deep, lasting and permanent. We are an African people, and remain "true to our native land," the mother continent, the cradle of civilization. God has superintended our pilgrimage through the days of slavery, the days of segregation, and the long night of racism. It is God who gives us the strength and courage to continuously address injustice as a people, and as a congregation. We constantly affirm our trust in God through cultural expression of a Black worship service and ministries which address the Black Community.

Sounds pretty clear to me.

[mrs reb77]

Sounded clear to me too. Still does.

If you changed the words to reflect the heritage of a, say, Mexican heritage candidate would still feel this is "ok".

[mrs reb77]

I guess I just don't understand the references to slavery this many years later--get over it. I don't know of a single person that has ever been a slave or owned one, the Holocaust is more recent history than this and we expect people to move on from that.
I find this type of behavior racist, it is 'playing the race card' right up front.

Yet this is posted on their site under Black Values:
Commitment to the Black Family. The Black family circle must generate strength, stability and love, despite the uncertainty of externals, because these characteristics are required if the developing person is to withstand warping by our racist competitive society.

My personal belief is that institutions such as this are the ones keeping racism alive and well. They are practicing exactly what they preach against the 'we and they' society instead of the 'us' society.

[mrs reb77]

My mother's closest friend is black and she will tell you straight up--she is not black first, she is American. She was born in Panama and is a Naturalized American Citizen and very proud of that fact.
She's black by skin color and American by choice and just because she IS black doesn't mean she's "African American" and anyone who calls her that insults her. We've had some interesting conversations on the topic I can tell you.

[scrogdog]

My personal belief is that institutions such as this are the ones keeping racism alive and well. They are practicing exactly what they preach against the 'we and they' society instead of the 'us' society.

I agree completely.

That is not to say that racism is gone from America. We need everyone together on this, not individual groups succumbing to the 'poor little me' syndrome.

When people get in that mode, it's exactly why they vote as Democrats. We can't stand up and do things for ourselves, we always need aid from the government. Meanwhile we'll continue to whine about a fictional (I mean fiction from a modern standpoint - not saying it never happened) situation that practically on one alive ever experienced.... but keep that aid coming!

The democrats and these types of "helpless" groups feed off of each other.

That's why it is so good when black republicans stand up and take note of this very thing. How dare you say we need help to get by, we are just like you! We don't need your damn help.

Refreshing... when you can get it.

[k_fridge]

Maybe I'm missing something, but the Bible I read proclaims God's love for all people, not just ones of a certain color or heritage.

[fixacr]

Does anyone recall a story in the last couple of years about a Caucasian woman who was ridiculed for attending an "African-American" rally of some type?
It turned out she was born in Africa and became a citizen of the US and therefore actually is African-American. I believe her response to the black man who confronted her was something to the effect, "I was born in Africa, where were you born?"

[gevans]

My God
My Family
My Country
My Race

That's how it works for me.