Hello,
I am looking at getting a new TRANE system installed in my home. Our TRANE dealer has said that the variable speed air handler's model number is 2TEE3F40A1000A (R-22) but I cannot find the model number on the Trane website anywhere. I asked our saleguy this question and he said that Trane has come out with a new model number, but has not updated the website yet. The thing that strikes me as odd(besides the fact of it not being on the Trane website) is that they have the 410A model number of 4TEE3F40A1000A. Why would they have one and not the other?
Also, in our latest proposal on the model number for the Heat pump unit - the model number shows for 3 ton unit instead of the 3 1/2 TON unit(which is what it should be). Obviously , we would change that with him. I am a little concerned with all this, but wanted to get some opinions. Our pastor had this same company put in a system at his house and had nothing but glowing reports about this salesguy and his company.
One last thing , on the air handler trane shows they have 2 different 3.0 TON air handlers - one is a 37k BTU and the other is a 40K BTU . Is the higher 40K BTU one considered a 3 1/2 ton??
The Trane website does not show a 3.5 ton air handler though (just the 2 3.0 ones mentioned earlier and a 4 TON), so I guess I'm confused. With a 3.5 ton XR13 heat pump outside unit which air handler should I have ? The one listed on our proposal is a "3.5 TON TRANE 2TEE3F40A1000A Variable Speed Eletric Air Handler".
The 2TEE3F40A air handler is the same unit as the TWE040E that is listed on the web site. The change in the model number system was recent, and the R-22 variable speed air handlers were the last to change over.
Both of the air handlers you mentioned are listed with the 3.5 ton XR13 heat pump. It is a 13 SEER, 8.0 HSPF matchup with the 2TEE3F37, and 14 SEER, 8.2 HSPF with the 2TEE3F40. The 40 has almost 2,000 btuh more capacity also.
If the local distributor there has the new 2TEE3F39 air handler in stock, it gives the same SEER and about the same capacity when matched with the 3.5 ton XR13 heat pump(actually a few hundred btuh more), but is 8.5 HSPF. It is also 23.5" wide like the 2TEE3F37. The 2TEE3F40 is 26" wide.
The 2TEE3F39 is brand new though, so not all distributors have it yet.
Last edited by mark beiser; 03-09-2007 at 09:35 PM.
Mark, Thank you for your reply. It makes me feel alot more comfortable about this process and our salesman. My wife and I have gotten the bad end of an unscrupulous saleman in a past big ticket item before, so I go over contracts with a fine tooth comb now.
I will ask our salesman about the 2TEE3F39 today. Is there a cost increase over the 2TEE3F40?
Not a significant price difference, but it is so new that the salesman may not know about it, and the local distributor may not have any, especially if it is an independent distributor. We have 4 factory owned distributors in my area, and only 1 of them shows any in stock.
Mark,
I'll go ahead and ask . The company is a Trane comfort select dealer, so they may have some knowledge. The company seems good so far ,but it doesn't hurt to double check. Also, They have been in business for 50+ years with a low BBB complaint record.
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[QUOTE=matjam68;1403239] The problem with the 14XLi is that it is quite a bit more expensive. a couple of grand if I remember. [QUOTE]
WOW ...
Are there any other mechanical contractors you wish to talk to about a competitive bid?
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[QUOTE=dan sw fl;1403577][QUOTE=matjam68;1403239] The problem with the 14XLi is that it is quite a bit more expensive. a couple of grand if I remember.WOW ...
Are there any other mechanical contractors you wish to talk to about a competitive bid?
We have talked to about 5 contractors. This company did more for the money than the other contractors (replacing/adding ducts,running supply lines) and we were referred them by someone we trust(which is a big plus). When you add in a low BBB complaint record and the length of time they've been in business it seemed the way to go.
Your surprise seems to mean that there is more flexibility in the pricing than I was led to believe.
I may talk to our salesguy about some of the XLi pricing. By the time you add Trane rebates, 10 year warranty cost for the XR models, and what the contractor itself rebates for "complete XLi" systems it may be worth having the conversation. I ended the XLi route when I got the initial price figure increase over the XR models and didn't pursue it further.
I can see going with an 16XLI unit for the savings, but what advantages does the 14XLI offer over the XR models besides the weatherguard top and the sound deadening? I obviously don't see these models day in/day out to know real world performance, but on the surface, it doesn't seem worth the extra money.
Last edited by matjam68; 03-10-2007 at 08:46 AM.
The R-22 version of the 3.5 ton XL14i matched with the 2TEE3F39 air handler is 14.75 SEER and 8.9 HSPF, it also has slightly higher capacity than with the 3.5 ton XR13.
The R-410a version of the 3.5 ton XL14i with the 4TEE3F39 air handler is 14.25 SEER and 8.7 HSPF.
Mark,
Could you point out the advantages of going with the 14XLi system over the XR13? My wife and I have been talking and we may see about going with the 14XLi if we could make the budget work. We hadn't planned on going with the 10 year warranty before with the XR13,but on another thread I posted other people/techs thought the warranty is a must have item. Well, with the added warranty cost it starts me looking in the 14XLi direction a little more.
Also , woud the 14XLi still use the same Air handler (F39)????
The SEER and HSPF are higher with the XL14i, the capacity is also a little higher with the same air handlers.
The top keeps leaves out of the unit.
The outdoor unit is a little quieter.
When you buy an XLi, the factory 10 year parts warranty extends to the indoor unit also.
The cost of the 10 year extended labor warranty is lower.
Yes...Also , woud the 14XLi still use the same Air handler (F39)????
The optional extended warranty always covers both the indoor and outdoor units. The out of the box factory warranty on the XR13 is 5 years on parts and 10 years on the compressor and coil for the outdoor unit, and 5 years parts for the indoor unit.
The XL14i outdoor unit factory warranty is 10 years on the parts, compressor and coil. If you buy a XL14i outdoor unit and an air handler at the same time, the air handlers parts warranty gets extended to 10 years.
The optional 10 year parts and labor extended warranty for the XLi system costs less than for the XR system because the XLi system already has a 10 year parts warranty, so the only coverage getting extended is the labor.
matjam
This may be a question for the Trane experts on this forum. I thought that a 3.5 ton condenser required an air handler with a blower rating of at least 3.5 tons. Is this the case with the air handlers being discussed on this thread? The Trane website is not very clear on this point. Perhaps the "49" model might be a better choice. Just a thought.
http://www.trane.com/Residential/Pro...ableSpeed.aspx
Here's another question for you guys. On the Trane website the XR13 and XR14 heat pumps both say they go "up to 14 seer". The HSPF rating on the XR14 is a little higher, but why would a customer pay the extra for the xr14 if the XR13 gets the same SEER rating per the Trane website???