Sedona controller

[scrooloose]

If you want Lon ...or pretty much any other protocol... pay yer Tridium fees then buy a JACE and add it...maybe a JACE with lon costs $2k
...program it COMPLETELY with Firefox or IE
...Manage your lon net COMPLETELY with Firefox or IE
...deploy them at will
...what upgrade??
...what license?
...I could even teach you how to do it too.
:-)

So you can buy a jace. Power it up, open firefox and then connect and program everything from there on out? So you are saying workbench is not required ever?

[MatrixTransform]

... So you are saying workbench is not required ever?

SIGH!

[381engineer]

381 - What did you use for an operator interface on your flat LNS architecture? Just curious.

Loytec LWEB and also Circon VIsual Integrator.

[MatrixTransform]

Loytec LWEB and also Circon VIsual Integrator.

...all right my turn to bite.
...i thought they made routers and gateways and network analyzers

Tell me all about Loytec and it's relative advantages or Tridium

[381engineer]

Tell me all about Loytec and it's relative advantages or Tridium

I can not speak of advantages of one over the other as I have never touched a Jace but I will share why I chose Loytec.

The biggest thing for me was cost and availability.

I could buy direct from manufacturer or through a distributor
Free software
Free Upgrades
Great Support
Multiple protocols (have not tried)
Capacity. 2000 OPC tags (More on the LINX120/121)

Like anything else it takes a bit of getting used too but I got plenty of help from sysint, and the guys in Austria.
They listened to my input and who knows, may even have implemented some of my suggestions.
I've just recently started to understand how to use the device on an enterprise application and I don't believe there is a limit on how many devices you could apply.


I have had very little issues getting there products online and communicating. Believe me if anyone could brick a device it would be me and so far I've not managed to trash anything.

They are constantly working to improve things and upgrades are integrated flawlessly.

Something that I found handy for me was being able to work from any PC by downloading the free configurators and emailing myself the config files.
That has come in very handy lately.

My next project is a DALI lighting project using the L-DALI and half a dozen other manufacturers products. Tridium does have a very nice DALI solution but again I can't get my hands on it.

Loytec does a great job of making technology available to anyone, I'm not saying others don't but I was not able to find them.

[sysint]

Loytec has free software, free upgrades, no licensing, simultaneous multi open protocol communication and a no single point of failure interface web server design.

Also, the individual controllers with io have download with no reboot and cycle times to 10 ms supporting 320 physical io..... Anyway, that's for starters. Of course there's more.

[scrooloose]

SIGH!

Well? You said you dont need licenses and everything can be done from IE/Firefox. So i am wondering why i have my workbench installed.

[sysint]

IEC based cloud control is on the way..... IEC 61499 if I remember correctly.

[MatrixTransform]

OK, so maybe there's two then ...Im definitely liking the Loytec big time.

I know one of the agents here in another state (they do Distech too) and am going to look into it more.

[MatrixTransform]

Well? You said you dont need licenses and everything can be done from IE/Firefox. So i am wondering why i have my workbench installed.

Screwloose, arent you inside Trane...is the Trane camp really trying to do Tridium ... or are they still trying to hang in with Tracer ?

... do try to get into the spirit of things rather than just follow me around the forum to nitpick my posts.

Yeah Workbench... you need it to commission a device if it isnt already, to update a revision, change an IP address...and few other things. But, that wasnt my point was it??? If youre buying a JACE then you already have workbench right?

Besides, in making a comparison to Loytec, it seems one buys a license from them depending on how many devices in a network....the point is that there is ALWAYS some sort of fee, license, purchase, entry requirement. doenst matter if its Loytec, iLon, or Tridium does it?

The big question is...WHAT DO YOU GET FOR YOUR MONEY?
Screwed over ... or not?

[scrooloose]

I read everything in the control section, so dont flatter yourself too much that i'm following you around.

I have been doing tridium for couple years now. I like it a lot better than Tracer Summit. I just enjoy playing the devils advocate with someone as gung-ho about something as you.

[MatrixTransform]

dont flatter yourself too much that i'm following you around.... I just enjoy playing the devils advocate with someone as gung-ho about something as you.

Devils advocate...LOL ...takes one to know one.

[sysint]

matrix, what about no licensing do you fail to understand? Loytec actually designs and MANUFACTURES their products. They do not buy a power pc from Taiwan and load some software on it like another vendor that you are familiar with.

[MatrixTransform]

matrix, what about no licensing do you fail to understand? ....

Well, this bit from their product manual actually...

LWEB-801 Server for 5 LOYTEC devices
LWEB-801-LIC5 Server license for 5 additional LOYTEC devices

and this bit ...

The basic version has a license for two users. Additional licenses for more than two users are available.

and this bit...

LWEB-820 Hierarchical structuring and changing of schedule parameter and calendar, license for 2 users

and this bit ...

LWEB-821 Efficient parameterization of L-INX and L-ROC devices, license for 2 users


...Hmm, are you sure you have a handle all your licensing requirements and costs???

[XcelTech]

I feel like I am watching a political debate for presidency.

[xarralu]

I feel like I am watching a political debate for presidency.

Same thing here. It's good info-didn't know alot of it. Azzad actually turned me onto EasyIO. They have YouTube videos on their configuration. Looks pretty slick.

Nice EasyIO instructional videos on You tube as follows:



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tDe62fFaq_c



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLfUAfGoRaU



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkurZxpNG0E

[MatrixTransform]

XcelTech,

If yer Loytec will deliver and it doesn't screw us or our customers over...then it's in the stable. Simple as that.

Bigboyz better get smart and start selling us controls. or giving tech support. or making themselves available when required....or we will just rip their 'open'-proprietary ie. Bacnet rubbish out and put in Tridium...or Loytec

The customers are starting to wise up... the consultants are already listening.

When LON was released all the consultants jumped on it, then Bacnet came and they're all on it like a seagull on a french-Fry...maybe the next thing will be IEC 61499

The thing will all this OPEN noise is that all the big boyz are on the bandwagon *****ing about licenses and complaining about proprietary etc when typically they are way more closed and restrictive than Tridium.

[MatrixTransform]

xarralu,

Azzad...sounds like Dazza backwards ... I think azzad may well be in the same part of the world as we are ...

[xarralu]

xarralu,

Azzad...sounds like Dazza backwards ... I think azzad may well be in the same part of the world as we are ...

He's out of Australia. He says he has been using EasyIO and really likes it. Maybe he will chime in here soon

[azzad]

azzad is Dazza backwards but I have no idea which part of the world you are in.

At this point in time I use the EasyIO 30 controllers as a freely programmable. They have been the best bang for buck controller I have come across that actually work. I have had 0 failures and 0 projects I havent been able to achieve with the EasyIO 30's.

Maybe I am just lucky though.

I just need an affordable standalone front end for accessing schedules and a couple of setpoints. From what I understand they are working on that right now.

Dazza