ReplyIf the igniter acts as a flame sensor, maybe it's failing. That must be an old furnace, some of those had a three wire pilot which had a bimetal strip that turns on the main burner when it gets hot enough to turn on the power to the gas valve.
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Owner call me to take a look at his furnace. He said he have been turning the power switch off and on to reset the system when the furnace wont recycle. I took a look at it on start up and electronic igniter will spark and lit the pilot but the igniter will not shut off until 20 minutes later. Polit will stay on for about 1-2 minute before the burner are lit. So my question is " is the ignition moduel faulty? or is there a flame sensor and is it faulty?
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If the igniter acts as a flame sensor, maybe it's failing. That must be an old furnace, some of those had a three wire pilot which had a bimetal strip that turns on the main burner when it gets hot enough to turn on the power to the gas valve.
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yes it does have a three wire.. is there any way for me to test it?
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I don't know of any way to test it, but I would start with cleaning the pilot burner and pilot orifice.
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If you replace the 3 wire pilot, dont use the Robert Shaw after market brand, use OEM...the RS's fail in about a year. Someone posted the proper way to check a 3 wire pilot a few years back...might want to do a search on the topic.
After the pilot flame is lit on the 3WP, it heats up a bimetel switch that closes the circuit for the main valve. I believe they both stay on until the heat is satisfied?....been a while.
A good indication of a bad 3WP is the main burners dropping out and coming back on. Proven by seeing the voltage drop out to the MV useing your meter.
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Once the pilot is lit you can unplug the harness, then jumping out two of the pins on the harness will bring on main flame.....problem is I can't remember which two without seeing the diagram, but yellow to green seems to sound familiar.
I give those pilots 1 to 2 minutes Max to make the switch and those warp switches tend to stick....90% of the time its just a dirty pilot orifice, but usually end up replacing it to prevent a callback.
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Send me an email (address is in my profile) and I will send you the manuals on this unit, and info on troubleshooting this 3 wire pilot.
I don't post technical info, or manuals, in this "OPEN" forum.
Also, that is not the correct serial number. Looks like a product number.
Last edited by rundawg; 10-08-2012 at 01:43 PM.
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mmm ok ill give it a try, but that does not explain the owner telling me the furnace wont kick back on after a couple of cycle. He have to reset the whole furnace.
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ok so we have decided that it has a warp switch.
if it has a warp switch, than it has a cracked htx.....have yet to come across carrier with warp switch that didnt have cracked htx....
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I'd be interested in that, never heard of a 3 wire pilot unless that's a regional thing?Originally Posted by rundawg
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The ignition modules on that machine aren't very robust either and aren easy to get.
Check the heat exchanger, near the top around where the dimples are. It may be cracked.
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Point noted.
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most electronic ignition modules will lockout if flame not sensed after a set period of time ... with out knowing all the facts , it sounds like it is locking out , thats why you have to reset it ... secondly if it is igniting for 20 mins that is also an issue it should lock out much sooner than that about 30 secs to one minute max off the top of my head. ... you don't want chamber filling with gas ,,, the boom effect ... as one of the posts suggest get the manuals the answers and trouble shooting procedures you seek should be there .. good luck
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I too, would look at the HX before taking any time to troubleshoot the 3 wire...
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Is this unit on LP? I think carrier had an add-on lock out timer, and gas pressure switch that tied into in incoming pressure tap of gas valve. I have changed many lock out timers for this problem over the years. As many have said though, I would check hx, that model was bad about holes in cells right above burner opening of face plate. Good luck!
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