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    Quote Originally Posted by DeltaT View Post
    Subject: Whoa! DID YOU KNOW THESE FACTS?

    I thought you might find this interesting!

    There are actually two messages here. The first is very interesting,
    but the second is absolutely astounding - and explains a lot.

    A recent "Investor's Business Daily" article provided very
    interesting statistics from a survey by the United Nations International
    Health Organization.

    Percentage of men and women who survived a cancer five years
    after diagnosis:

    U.S. 65%

    England 46%

    Canada 42%


    Percentage of patients diagnosed with diabetes who received
    treatment within six months:

    U.S. 93%

    England 15%

    Canada 43%


    Percentage of seniors needing hip replacement who received it
    within six months:

    U.S. 90%

    England 15%

    Canada 43%


    Percentage referred to a medical specialist who see one within
    one month:

    U.S. 77%

    England 40%

    Canada 43%


    Number of MRI scanners (a prime diagnostic tool) per million people:

    U.S. 71

    England 14

    Canada 18



    And now for the last statistic:


    National Health Insurance?

    U.S. NO

    England YES

    Canada YES

    Check this last set of statistics!!

    A document that you may have missed in your readings.
    Cancer survival in five continents: a worldwide population-based study (CONCORD)

    Summary
    Background Cancer survival varies widely between countries. The CONCORD study provides survival estimates for 1·9 million adults (aged 15–99 years) diagnosed with a first, primary, invasive cancer of the breast (women), colon, rectum, or prostate during 1990–94 and followed up to 1999, by use of individual tumour records from 101 population-based cancer registries in 31 countries on five continents. This is, to our knowledge, the first worldwide analysis of cancer survival, with standard quality-control procedures and identical analytic methods for all datasets.
    We analysed individual data for almost 2 million adults who were diagnosed with a first, primary, malignant, invasive neoplasm of the breast (women), colon, rectum, or prostate during the period 1990–94 and who had been followed up to ascertain their vital status for at least 5 years after diagnosis until the end of 1999 or later. Data were contributed by 101 population-based cancer registries covering a combined population of almost 300 million persons living in 31 countries
    http://www.lshtm.ac.uk/eph/ncde/canc...y_protocol.pdf


    From your article

    Percentage of men and women who survived a cancer five years
    after diagnosis:

    U.S. 65%

    England 46%

    Canada 42%
    From the Concord study.

    Relative survival at 5 years, age-standardised to the International Cancer Survival Standard weights, ranged from 80% or over in North America, Sweden, Japan, Finland, and Australia to less than 60% in Brazil and Slovakia, and below 40% in Algeria (table 2 and figure 1). Survival in the 24 European countries that contributed to CONCORD was mostly in the range 70–79%.
    The pooled estimate of 5-year survival for Canada was 82·5%, with a narrow range from 79·3% in Nova Scotia to 85·4% in British Columbia (table 2 and figure 1). In the USA, 5-year relative survival for all races combined ranged from 78–81% in New York City, New York State, and Louisiana to 89–90% in Hawaii and Seattle, WA (table 2), but most of the estimates were within a fairly narrow range, from 82% to 87% (figure 2).
    Survival was lower for blacks than for whites in all 17 populations in the USA for which this could be assessed with race-specific life tables (webfigure 2). The age-adjusted pooled estimate of 5-year survival was 84·7% for whites (range 80–90%) and 70·9% for blacks (table 3).
    The study has a lot of information and breaks down cancers into different types out of 31 countries. On one chart it shows Cuba as having the best 5 year survival rate for Woman's breast cancer closely followed by the USA and then Canada with England down at #22, and then for Prostate cancer the USA is at the top of the list with Austria and then Canada following and Cuba at #8 and England #19. And then with Colorectum cancer Cuba is at the top for women's survival and only beat out by Japan in men survival (USA women #3, Canada #4, and men, USA #3 and Canada #6).

    In another chart woman breast cancer 5 year survival rate is listed as USA 83·9%, Canada 82·5%.




    Now as far as disputing any of the other claims of the article you quoted but did not give the source, I have other things to do today.
    Never argue with a fool, onlookers may not be able to tell the difference. —Mark Twain

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    I think a raspberry is in order.

    Thanks Printer

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    And just for kicks, the article does not exist from the "Investor's Business Daily". Also neither does the report as quoted in the "Investor's Business Daily". Mind you, a quick search also shows the 'United Nations International Health Organization' quoted in the article that does not exist, does not exist either. I'm glad none of us are in charge of running our countries.
    Never argue with a fool, onlookers may not be able to tell the difference. —Mark Twain

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    Quote Originally Posted by printer2 View Post
    And just for kicks, the article does not exist from the "Investor's Business Daily". Also neither does the report as quoted in the "Investor's Business Daily". Mind you, a quick search also shows the 'United Nations International Health Organization' quoted in the article that does not exist, does not exist either. I'm glad none of us are in charge of running our countries.
    Save this one. You may need it as ammo.

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    "The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers it can bribe the public with the public's own money.
    - Alexis de Toqueville, 1835

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    Apparently some of these statics come from around 2008 and have shown up in various forms from various studies.

    Here's part of one.

    Aphttp://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/115086.php
    "The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers it can bribe the public with the public's own money.
    - Alexis de Toqueville, 1835

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    "The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers it can bribe the public with the public's own money.
    - Alexis de Toqueville, 1835

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    And a very interesting article. Want to take a vacation? --

    http://www.emaxhealth.com/1275/121/3...l-tourism.html
    "The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers it can bribe the public with the public's own money.
    - Alexis de Toqueville, 1835

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeltaT View Post
    Yea, the press had a field day with good old Danny

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeltaT View Post
    That is an interesting article. One big issue is that GP and specialists don't necessary talk to each other especially with chronic care patients.

    Ontario has moved to electronic health records so that records can get from one doc to another easily.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeltaT View Post
    And a very interesting article. Want to take a vacation? --

    http://www.emaxhealth.com/1275/121/3...l-tourism.html
    Yea, Canadians are doing it a bit too. Beware, if you go, there is no warranty on their work unless you stay in country. Come home and have a complication and you probably won't be covered (in the US). Here you would be covered.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeltaT View Post
    thats kind of embarrassing LOL

    Look the bottom line here is:

    DON'T GET SICK....of anything
    The Last four letters


    American = I Can, Republican = I Can, Democrats = Rats


    any questions

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeltaT View Post
    Top of the article.

    All editorial matter in CMAJ represents the opinions of the authors and not necessarily those of the Canadian Medical Association.
    Never argue with a fool, onlookers may not be able to tell the difference. —Mark Twain

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