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    Just my opinion but I don't really think the health care bill was ever really about health care at all. It is about "transforming the Country". That's exactly what it is going to do if left in place. There IS a fight to change this Country to socialism. To not see it is to choose not to see it. You only have to open your eyes

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    Obamacare drill you rong time.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tech it out View Post
    Just my opinion but I don't really think the health care bill was ever really about health care at all. It is about "transforming the Country". That's exactly what it is going to do if left in place. There IS a fight to change this Country to socialism. To not see it is to choose not to see it. You only have to open your eyes
    I agree 100%. I also think we are being transformed into a type of Socialism that the world has never seen before. What ever it is, I don't like it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tech it out View Post
    Just my opinion but I don't really think the health care bill was ever really about health care at all. It is about "transforming the Country". That's exactly what it is going to do if left in place. There IS a fight to change this Country to socialism. To not see it is to choose not to see it. You only have to open your eyes
    Quote Originally Posted by RoBoTeq View Post
    I agree 100%. I also think we are being transformed into a type of Socialism that the world has never seen before. What ever it is, I don't like it.
    IMO it is a cross between socialism and fascism.... Where the power is in the hands of POTUS... in other words a semi-dictatorship. Regardless of whether we like the sound of that or not... we need to look at the facts to see what is happening. If the shoe fits... we need to change the foot before it is too late.

    And NO I do not like it either... The passivity towards the changes worries me more than an IRS audit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RoBoTeq View Post
    I don't mean to sound flippant, but it doesn't matter if you don't think government providing for the needy is Socialism or not. It is Socialism. That is exactly what Socialism is, and it doesn't work.
    Robo, you have zero evidence to say that Universal health care (socialist or not) doesn't work because the citizens of ALL the rest of the developed world are proof that it does. Just admit that you have a massive philosophical block in your head somewhere. For you it is a belief system, not an evidence based opinion. If you will admit that we can go on to more productive things.

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    The health care bill was a calculated plant of a mild disease or virus implanted into our very foundation of this country by those that wish our destruction.

    Disease work off of finding weak and or damage areas in the main body of what it's attempting to destruct.

    Viruses are implanted into living structures and can be triggered now or later once the right conditions have been established in the living structure.

    Diseases are typically found out immediately because of obvious by-products.

    Viruses are the hardest to rid because they are originally introduced into a healthy structure by concealment within a desired product and can lay dorment for periods of time. And they can also spread undectable small viruses into different parts of the healthy structure in the same way termites can invade and collapse a building/home foundation without showing any signs.

    We have both now residing in our governmental systems and in a certain portion of our voting citizens.
    "The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers it can bribe the public with the public's own money.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ga-hvac-tech View Post
    IMO it is a cross between socialism and fascism.... Where the power is in the hands of POTUS... in other words a semi-dictatorship. Regardless of whether we like the sound of that or not... we need to look at the facts to see what is happening. If the shoe fits... we need to change the foot before it is too late.

    And NO I do not like it either... The passivity towards the changes worries me more than an IRS audit.
    This is what I've been saying about where O'Bummer seems to be wanting to take us. He seems to fashion himself more after South American dictators then European or Asian Communists. He does seem to have a thing for Chavez;
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    But he sure does look good in a uniform;
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    Oh lookie! He has his jump wings. So there should be no problem tossing him out of the helicopter.
    Government is a disease...
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    Quote Originally Posted by SolarMike View Post
    Robo, you have zero evidence to say that Universal health care (socialist or not) doesn't work because the citizens of ALL the rest of the developed world are proof that it does. Just admit that you have a massive philosophical block in your head somewhere. For you it is a belief system, not an evidence based opinion. If you will admit that we can go on to more productive things.



    Subject: Whoa! DID YOU KNOW THESE FACTS?

    I thought you might find this interesting!

    There are actually two messages here. The first is very interesting,
    but the second is absolutely astounding - and explains a lot.

    A recent "Investor's Business Daily" article provided very
    interesting statistics from a survey by the United Nations International
    Health Organization.

    Percentage of men and women who survived a cancer five years
    after diagnosis:

    U.S. 65%

    England 46%

    Canada 42%


    Percentage of patients diagnosed with diabetes who received
    treatment within six months:

    U.S. 93%

    England 15%

    Canada 43%


    Percentage of seniors needing hip replacement who received it
    within six months:

    U.S. 90%

    England 15%

    Canada 43%


    Percentage referred to a medical specialist who see one within
    one month:

    U.S. 77%

    England 40%

    Canada 43%


    Number of MRI scanners (a prime diagnostic tool) per million people:

    U.S. 71

    England 14

    Canada 18



    And now for the last statistic:


    National Health Insurance?

    U.S. NO

    England YES

    Canada YES

    Check this last set of statistics!!

    The percentage of each past president's cabinet who had worked
    in the private business sector prior to their appointment to the cabinet.
    You know that the private business sector is a real-life business, not a
    government job. Here are the percentages.


    T. Roosevelt.................... 38%

    Taft.................................. 40%

    Wilson ........................... 52%

    Harding........................... 49%

    Coolidge......................... 48%

    Hoover............................ 42%

    F. Roosevelt................... 50%

    Truman........................... 50%

    Eisenhower................ .... 57%

    Kennedy......................... 30%

    Johnson.......................... 47%

    Nixon.............................. 53%

    Ford................................ 42%

    Carter............................. 32%

    Reagan........................... 56%

    GH Bush......................... 51%

    Clinton .......................... 39%

    GW Bush........................ 55%

    Obama..................... 8%


    This helps to explain the incompetence of this administration:
    only 8% of them have ever worked in private business!

    That's right! Only eight percent---the least, by far, of the
    last 19 presidents! And these people are trying to tell our big
    corporations how to run their business?

    How can the president of a major nation and society, the one
    with the most successful economic system in world history, stand and talk
    about business when he's never worked for one? Or about jobs when he has
    never really had one? And when it's the same for 92% of his senior staff
    and closest advisers? They've spent most of their time in academia,
    government and/or non-profit jobs or as "community organizers." They should have been in an employment line.
    "The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers it can bribe the public with the public's own money.
    - Alexis de Toqueville, 1835

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    Quote Originally Posted by SolarMike View Post
    Robo, you have zero evidence to say that Universal health care (socialist or not) doesn't work because the citizens of ALL the rest of the developed world are proof that it does. Just admit that you have a massive philosophical block in your head somewhere. For you it is a belief system, not an evidence based opinion. If you will admit that we can go on to more productive things.
    Does it really work? Does EVERY PERSON get better medical care than folks do in the USA? Seems I read the English (England) is backing away from it... (whoops)

    Before we make an assumption something works (just because others do it)... lets disect the facts and see what 'works' means and does not mean. Then we need to look at what Obamacare says... and compare them.

    The devil is always in the details... If we do not look at the details... we may end up with yet another of the govt programs we are loaded down with already... BIG promises... little delivery... with HUGE pricetags.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SolarMike View Post
    Robo, you have zero evidence to say that Universal health care (socialist or not) doesn't work because the citizens of ALL the rest of the developed world are proof that it does. Just admit that you have a massive philosophical block in your head somewhere. For you it is a belief system, not an evidence based opinion. If you will admit that we can go on to more productive things.
    Really? Then why is the UK looking to get out of the healthcare business? [quote]As Obama pushes new regulations, UK eyes privatizing its health care[/img]
    http://dailycaller.com/2012/02/17/as...#ixzz1mnNK1h5R

    And it's not like you don't already know this from another thread. So, you are just being your usual deceitful self. WHY?! Why are you far left liberals so hatefully deceitful?

    How about Canadians? Gee, these Canadians don't seem to be too thrilled with their government running of healthcare;
    More than two-thirds of Canadians think the health-care system needs major repairs or a complete overhaul, says a national poll that regularly gauges public attitudes on health.
    http://www.healthcarebs.com/2008/02/...n-health-care/

    Why do you continually make comments that you show nothing to back you up on? It is so easy to show everyone that you are absolutely wrong and just being defiantly deceitful.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ga-hvac-tech View Post
    Does it really work? Does EVERY PERSON get better medical care than folks do in the USA? Seems I read the English (England) is backing away from it... (whoops)

    Before we make an assumption something works (just because others do it)... lets disect the facts and see what 'works' means and does not mean. Then we need to look at what Obamacare says... and compare them.

    The devil is always in the details... If we do not look at the details... we may end up with yet another of the govt programs we are loaded down with already... BIG promises... little delivery... with HUGE pricetags.
    Leftists like Solarmike have no values whatsoever. They pride themselves on being so progressive that they feel they do not need to be truthful with all of those of us who have maintained morality and ethics. Socialists like mikey will say whatever untruths they want, just to destroy the virtues of morality that they have abandoned.
    Government is a disease...
    ...masquerading as its own cure…
    Ecclesiastes 10:2 NIV


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    Quote Originally Posted by DeltaT View Post
    Subject: Whoa! DID YOU KNOW THESE FACTS?

    I thought you might find this interesting!

    There are actually two messages here. The first is very interesting,
    but the second is absolutely astounding - and explains a lot.

    A recent "Investor's Business Daily" article provided very
    interesting statistics from a survey by the United Nations International
    Health Organization.

    Percentage of men and women who survived a cancer five years
    after diagnosis:

    U.S. 65%

    England 46%

    Canada 42%


    Percentage of patients diagnosed with diabetes who received
    treatment within six months:

    U.S. 93%

    England 15%

    Canada 43%


    Percentage of seniors needing hip replacement who received it
    within six months:

    U.S. 90%

    England 15%

    Canada 43%


    Percentage referred to a medical specialist who see one within
    one month:

    U.S. 77%

    England 40%

    Canada 43%


    Number of MRI scanners (a prime diagnostic tool) per million people:

    U.S. 71

    England 14

    Canada 18



    And now for the last statistic:


    National Health Insurance?

    U.S. NO

    England YES

    Canada YES

    Check this last set of statistics!!

    The percentage of each past president's cabinet who had worked
    in the private business sector prior to their appointment to the cabinet.
    You know that the private business sector is a real-life business, not a
    government job. Here are the percentages.


    T. Roosevelt.................... 38%

    Taft.................................. 40%

    Wilson ........................... 52%

    Harding........................... 49%

    Coolidge......................... 48%

    Hoover............................ 42%

    F. Roosevelt................... 50%

    Truman........................... 50%

    Eisenhower................ .... 57%

    Kennedy......................... 30%

    Johnson.......................... 47%

    Nixon.............................. 53%

    Ford................................ 42%

    Carter............................. 32%

    Reagan........................... 56%

    GH Bush......................... 51%

    Clinton .......................... 39%

    GW Bush........................ 55%

    Obama..................... 8%


    This helps to explain the incompetence of this administration:
    only 8% of them have ever worked in private business!

    That's right! Only eight percent---the least, by far, of the
    last 19 presidents! And these people are trying to tell our big
    corporations how to run their business?

    How can the president of a major nation and society, the one
    with the most successful economic system in world history, stand and talk
    about business when he's never worked for one? Or about jobs when he has
    never really had one? And when it's the same for 92% of his senior staff
    and closest advisers? They've spent most of their time in academia,
    government and/or non-profit jobs or as "community organizers." They should have been in an employment line.
    Can you post the article on the UN study? I cannot say anything about Obamas plight but I can speak to the medical stats having a medical researcher in the household and i have seen hundreds of studies.

    The US can show higher than Britain or Canada often because the US is OVER supplied with MRIs and other types of test equipment. When you have insurance as you do, docs are more than willing to take 3 or 4 tests even if they are not needed and maybe 1 will do. Sure we would like to have a few more machines and but if you watch the money conservatively enough you learn where to cut back.

    The cancer stats are misstated. I would need to see the study to say why but I am confident they are.

    Diabeties is rampant in the USA more than it is in Canada or Britain and "treatment" in the US may involve pills where especially in Britain it will more likely be diet change which will not show as "treatment".

    I'm going to bed so here is some light reading for you about wait times:

    http://www.waittimes.net/SurgeryDI/E...alsummary.aspx

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeltaT View Post
    Subject: Whoa! DID YOU KNOW THESE FACTS?

    I thought you might find this interesting!

    There are actually two messages here. The first is very interesting,
    but the second is absolutely astounding - and explains a lot.

    A recent "Investor's Business Daily" article provided very
    interesting statistics from a survey by the United Nations International
    Health Organization.
    for one? Or about jobs when he has
    never really had one? And when it's the same for 92% of his senior staff
    and closest advisers? They've spent most of their time in academia,
    government and/or non-profit jobs or as "community organizers." They should have been in an employment line.
    I snipped most of your post because there is no reason for someone to read it here when they can just scroll up and read your post.

    Anyhow.....

    You do realize that you posted information from an email that was circulated a year or more ago........ that the information in the article did not come from the investors business journal.......

    You did know that didnt you ???

    I hope you did..... I hope you were smart enough to just be trying to pull a fast one on the forum instead of being some gullible person like GA who believes everything that comes across his inbox and just runs with it like a rabid dog without even bothering to check out the source of the information.

    This is how Obama is going to win..... people might be stupid enough to vote him into office.....but the people who are trying to vote him out are even less intelligent.......

    Im thinking of selling some solid 24k gold leaf covered lead wheel weights on ebay later this year.......only 15 hundred dollars an ounce......

    Care to put in an early order..... Ill let you have a deal on 4 for only 65 hundred dollars.

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