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    So you think ObamaCare is a good idea...

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    I think we need to rid the US of Managed Health Care. Those that can afford it pay for insurance and the 50 million that can't afford it just go to the emergency room and stiff em for payment because they just don't have it which causes everyone else's premiums to increase. Oh wait that's what we have now ------- nevermind.
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    Supply and demand... that horrible thing called the free market... will lower the price while raising quality.

    It is really simple: When too many apple sellers are at the flea market... eventually the price of apples goes down... and the best apples are sold first... and the worst apples do not get sold.

    Kinda like the 'bad apples' have to grow up and behave like good apples or starve... which is the essence of free enterprise!!! Forces folks to take responsibility for their choices and actions, get off their lazy behinds, and become productive... or starve.

    In the world of healthcare... this means two things:
    1) Take care of one's health: Like eating healthy foods, regular exercise, adequate rest, moderation with alcohol, etc.
    2) Shop around to find what one really NEEDS in health insurance: Such as: I can pay for getting a common cold myself... Do the math... and buy only what one NEEDS.
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    We got to this point by trying to force health care into the typical business model - that doesn't seem to be working very well. Those of us with insurance or paying outright for medical care are subsidizing the folks that can't or won't pay. The general health of the nation depends on providing good health care, if we refuse to treat those that have a hard time paying we compromise our own health. So we are left with few options, stay with the current system and pay for the non-paying with higher rates or spread out the risk and have everyone pay their share.
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    Quote Originally Posted by netsalt View Post
    We got to this point by trying to force health care into the typical business model - that doesn't seem to be working very well. Those of us with insurance or paying outright for medical care are subsidizing the folks that can't or won't pay.
    The general health of the nation depends on providing good health care, if we refuse to treat those that have a hard time paying we compromise our own health.
    So we are left with few options, stay with the current system and pay for the non-paying with higher rates or spread out the risk and have everyone pay their share.
    Quote #1: Who's fault is it the folks paying are paying for the ones that do not? It is DEMOCRATS who passed legislation a hospital ER cannot turn someone away for lack of ability to pay. Fix that and your costs will go down.

    Quote #2: Taking care of one's body will build a STRONG immune system. Remember when we were young and ate a hamburger with dirty hands? Why did we not get sick? Simple... we were HEALTHY! Take care of your body and you will be healthy too. Or rip off the govt so someone else has to pay for non-attention to taking care of oneself.

    It all boils down to the same thing: The lazy want someone else to pay... and the workers want the lazy to starve until they motivate themselves.

    The rest is just lies and spin to blur the issues.

    Show me a country where socialism has worked for multiple of generations within a FREE society... I have a Washington that says you cannot.
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    Countries with socialized medicine don't have 310 million people. Half of that number having a parasitic nature.
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    Quote Originally Posted by coolwhip View Post
    Countries with socialized medicine don't have 310 million people. Half of that number having a parasitic nature.
    This is true!

    Many of the 'guest workers' I have talked to... openly say they are here for the $$$ and freebees. They could care less about the USA... and planned to leave as soon as the good $$$ and freebees passed. And many of them have already left.

    Why we cater to these folks while destroying the foundation of our country is beyond my understanding.
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    If you have the money, everyone should be entitled to health care.
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    The system proposed to manage health care costs in the US is NOT socialized medicine when compared to the systems in other developed countries, the socialism label is just spin to rile up the natives. The people that disagree with the proposal should quit pointing fingers and wake up to reality. We can blame the democrats, the lazy, the stupid and any other so called group but how do we fix the problem? Let the people without the means to pay just die? Pay for their care with higher insurance premiums? Lower the level of care for everyone? I know, if we just deport all the democrats and poor people it would solve all the ills of the system. Please wake up and look around and deal with the facts rather believing in some Randian utopia - it is not gonna happen.
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    I believe its due to a play called "The New World Order" written by a shadow government that we do not see.

    This play will consist of a series of acts that are unfolding right before our eyes. The curtains have opened, the wheels have been set in motion and will be following a script that was planned and written long ago.

    This is what my research has said to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by netsalt View Post
    The system proposed to manage health care costs in the US is NOT socialized medicine when compared to the systems in other developed countries, the socialism label is just spin to rile up the natives. The people that disagree with the proposal should quit pointing fingers and wake up to reality. We can blame the democrats, the lazy, the stupid and any other so called group but how do we fix the problem? Let the people without the means to pay just die? Pay for their care with higher insurance premiums? Lower the level of care for everyone? I know, if we just deport all the democrats and poor people it would solve all the ills of the system. Please wake up and look around and deal with the facts rather believing in some Randian utopia - it is not gonna happen.
    Regardless of how one spins things...

    Folks having to pay for what they get is the way an economy works.

    ANY other system rewards lazyness.

    And I am not interested in that system... I will take my chances with a sick person living next door (they will not be there long).

    The attitude one has to do without for the greater good... that is: the GOVT provides the greater good... is SOCIALISM... regardless of how one tries to spin it. And there is NO example of this working over the longer term of multiple generations. NONE at all.

    Look at Greece and Italy... they are about to drag the Euro community into a hole... If you want that mess in the USA... continue to support this insane view of govt managed life.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ga-hvac-tech View Post
    Regardless of how one spins things...

    Folks having to pay for what they get is the way an economy works.

    ANY other system rewards lazyness.

    And I am not interested in that system... I will take my chances with a sick person living next door (they will not be there long).

    The attitude one has to do without for the greater good... that is: the GOVT provides the greater good... is SOCIALISM... regardless of how one tries to spin it. And there is NO example of this working over the longer term of multiple generations. NONE at all.

    Look at Greece and Italy... they are about to drag the Euro community into a hole... If you want that mess in the USA... continue to support this insane view of govt managed life.
    You got my vote!
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    Gotta have some legal, morally ethereal way to off Grammy and Papaw before they spend all our inheritance stayin' on life support...
    (The wise men of modern thought) adore a god made of putty or of wax - plastic, effeminate, molluscous, with no masculine faculty about him, and no quality that entitles him to the respect of just and honest men, for a being who cannot be angry at wrongdoing is destitute of one of the essential virtues, and a moral Ruler who is not angry with the wicked, and who refuses to punish crime, is not divine. ---Spurgeon

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