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  1. #14
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    Look at installation instructions supplied with boiler will show proper way to plumb in lines like guys said above. Call contractor back out before warranty is up.
    What a shame an ultra boiler that looks like that seems like someone was in a hurry. Good luck.

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    Re: Question for Beenthere

    Originally posted by liebermg
    Beenthere,
    What do you mean it is the wrong boiler?
    Also you said that "The indirects piping is on the inlet side of the heating circ, so every time the stat calls, its heating the indirect also." How should I tell them to hook it up?
    Thanks.




    Not the wrong noiler but as the others said piped up wron at the boiler.
    The indirect should have been teed in between the black circ and the boiler.
    Also as the others have pointed out, they should have used flo cheks, NOT swing checks, unless those are spring checks, which I don't like for hot water either.


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  3. #16
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    Originally posted by atphvac
    The other way that would work is if the two "T"s going to the indirect were piped off of the same pipe (within 12 pipe diameters)either above or below the black pump and then only the grey pump would control the flow of water to the indirect.

    That won't work on this boiler.

    Even if it was a promary secondary system, the primary circ is not energized by the Ultra's control modual on a heat call.
    WM wants the Indirects circ to run directly throught the boiler by itself.

    Other wise a good idea.
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  4. #17
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    Thanks for all the help. Does anyone disagree that moving the black return pump above the T will not fix the problem? Can someone explain the difference between a flow check valve and a swing check valve. Should I also have the flow check valve put in?

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    A swing check is to prevent reverse flow through a pipe.

    A flo check, stops flow in the pipe when the circ is not running. Most are a weighted disc, some are sring loaded.
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  6. #19
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    A relative of mine just had the same boiler put in, and had the exact same problem. As many have mentioned in this post, their problem was the indirect being connected to the wrong side of the boiler circ pump.

    For those not familiar with this boiler, W-M uses an "extra" circ pump in the space heating circuit to ensure sufficient water flow through the boiler's core during any space heating condition. The indirect circuit should originate at the supply, have it's own circ and check, and return directly to the boiler return. The space heating circuit is more complex. The water is pulled from above the tee for the indirect, flows through the check, and returns through the "extra" circ to the boiler forming a recirculating loop directly from the supply to the return. This recirculating pump must be above the tee for the indirect. The space heating circuits pull from the recirculating loop close to the supply, and discharge into the recirculating loop closer to the the return. This way, the boiler always sees full water flow regardless of the space heating demand. The "PHD" circuit adjusts the firing rate adapting to the temp rise required across the core to produce the desired discharge temp.

    DJC

  7. #20
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    So I had the return pump moved so that it is above the t junction and I also had the swing valve replaced with a flow check valve. It helped with the problem but the temp of the dhw still seems to be influenced by the call for space heating. Should I also have a flow check valve installed on the Outlet side of the hot water heater. It appears that the circulator pump is pumping water in through the outlet side of the water heater, heating up the hot water everytime there is a call for heat. Would a flow check valve on the outlet side of the hot water heater fix this?

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    Post pics of the repipe.
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