R22 a BETTER CHOICE than 410a????

[jacquelynn]

Sorry if this repeats what's already been said, but:

If I want the system to last as long as possible -- and I don't want to risk needing to replace it simply because something became obsolete -- and I do expect to still be around in 20 years -- would it make sense to get a 10 seer/freon system at this late date? Assuming my contractor can locate one, that is.

Thanks in advance,

Jacquelynn

[chillbilly]

There is no problem locating 10 seer equipment at this point in time. If your contractor tells you otherwise, you can find it through another contractor.
I would advise against 10 seer and recommend at least 13 seer minimum. Why? Efficiency means you save money during the life of your system. You do not run the risk of expensive upgrade costs from 10 seer in the future when 10 seer may not be availaible.
R-22 will last longer than your system. If it does not, you can use a drop-in replacement for R-22 that will extend the life of your system without replacing equipment.

[tmartin]

EVEN IF YOUR NEW SYSTEM DEVELOPS A LEAK IN THE FUTURE, THERE IS A DIRECT "DROP-IN" ENVIRONMENTALLY FRIENDLY REFRIGERANT ON THE MARKET TODAY. DONT WORRY! ILL SELL THEM (R22 SYSTEMS)UNTIL THE VERY DAY THAT IM FORCED TO STOP. CHECK OUT ICOR NU22. IVE USED THEIR R12 (HOT SHOT R414B) REPLACEMENT ON SEVERAL SYSTEMS, SEVERAL YEARS AGO AND THEYRE STILL RUNNING STRONG TODAY!

[dash]

10SEER systems are gone in Florida or being held for certain loyal ,to that brand,contractors or multifamily building..


Check http://www.410a.com and my two cents,go Puron/R410a

[RoBoTeq]

Originally posted by dash
10SEER systems are gone in Florida or being held for certain loyal ,to that brand,contractors or multifamily building..


Check http://www.410a.com and my two cents,go Puron/R410a

Same in my area. We picked up quite a few new contractors because the brand they were installing dropped the ball on being able to provide the outdoor units for systems that already had the indoor coils set.

[phosgene]

2015 Reductions

Some dealers wrongly believe that R-22 for servicing existing
systems will not be affected until 2020. Actually, the EPA is
required to implement additional regulations to reduce the limit
on consumption of ozone-depleting HCFCs such as R-22 by
90% after 2014.

Although the U.S. demand for R-22 for servicing existing
systems is likely to decrease by that date, the available HCFC
allocation will have to be used to supply refrigerants (R-22,
R-124, R-142b, MP39, MP66, HP80, and others) and solvents
(HCFC-225ca, HCFC-225cb).

Most new air conditioning and refrigeration equipment being
installed today is expected to still be in service in 2015, so
building owners and consumers need to take into consideration
the potential for future shortages of HCFC products when
considering installing new R-22 or other HCFC-based
equipment. This is particularly important if systems sold today
are covered by warranties or service contracts.

Although regulations allow for continued production of
R-22 for service through 2019, there is no guarantee that
the quantities that will be produced or made available will
be sufficient to meet U.S. market demand. Individuals and
companies who make claims guaranteeing sufficient
supply of HCFC-22 until 2020 do so at their own risk

...taken from http://www.longviewweb.com/pressure.htm

[behappy]

Throw all the greenhouse "stuff" to the side...
I just came from a meeting and the price of R22 is going to rise to the point where 410a will be cheaper in a few years. So the price of freon argument will be out the door.

Your government at work!

[behappy]

Oh by the way...
10 SEER systems are a thing of the past in the south (Hurrican Katrina took care of that). 12 SEER systems are right behind that, it is a real mess now.

[jacquelynn]

Is it likely that R-410A will become obsolete in 20 to 30 years?

[dash]

Originally posted by jacquelynn
Is it likely that R-410A will become obsolete in 20 to 30 years?

No,IMHO.

[docholiday]

Originally posted by tmartin
EVEN IF YOUR NEW SYSTEM DEVELOPS A LEAK IN THE FUTURE, THERE IS A DIRECT "DROP-IN" ENVIRONMENTALLY FRIENDLY REFRIGERANT ON THE MARKET TODAY. DONT WORRY! ILL SELL THEM (R22 SYSTEMS)UNTIL THE VERY DAY THAT IM FORCED TO STOP. CHECK OUT ICOR NU22. IVE USED THEIR R12 (HOT SHOT R414B) REPLACEMENT ON SEVERAL SYSTEMS, SEVERAL YEARS AGO AND THEYRE STILL RUNNING STRONG TODAY!

Unfortunately the system capacity is lower and the efficiency falls off as well. Many new systems have 10 year compressor warranties, as soon as you put this stuff in, the warranty is void.

[behappy]

Hopefully in 10 ~ 20 years we will find a better way to keep ourselves cool. Besides in 20 years I may be wanting someone to throw me a snowball or two!