Page 4 of 4 FirstFirst 1234
Results 40 to 49 of 49
  1. #40
    Join Date
    Aug 2004
    Location
    S.E. Pa
    Posts
    6,293
    Up until Social Security, Medicare/ Medicaid, the New Deal, The Great Society and other social programs people were responsible for themselves. They grew gardens for food, tried to set a little money aside for a rainy day or if lucky built a nest egg on their own. Then some jobs began offering a "retirement", which was an investment where the business got perks for investing for the employee. Work weeks were established as we work hours. We got wage and hour laws to make life "fair'. We got OSHA and all sorts of regulations to keep us "safe" at work and protect us from every conceivable disaster. Where we used to take in and care for our elderly parents and family, we developed warehouses called "nursing homes" to store them for us. Steadily, we have been turning the responsibility of our lives over to others while we revert back to serfdom. We don't want to be bothered with having to wipe the butts of our parents, clean beds, deal with medicines, odors, and bodily fluids. They become a burden on our lifestyle. It is more convenient to place them in storage where we can visit them once in a blue moon when our conscience gets the better of us. We have come to expect that instead of saving money all along, just live life as you want and *someone* will provide for you in your latter years. Don't worry about it, Big Brother has your back. Can't afford private health insurance? Not a problem, we have universal healthcare now. Need drugs? Sure, why not. Need catheters, home health care supplies and a little scooter so you don't have to use those two poor legs God gave you because they weren't designed to hold the weight of two people, no problem. Need a ride to run errands? Sure, we'll send a car. Can't afford that tasty process crap that passes for food? Here are some coupons that *someone else* paid for.

    Every step of our lives has been degraded into an existence that is wholly dependent upon the welfare state--------by design. We have been trained to be apathetic towards our formerly loved ones instead relegating them to whatever the State chooses to do with them.

    You know, whenever I smell stale urine my knee jerk reaction is to comment that is reminds me of nursing homes. Sure, there are a few "good ones", whatever that means. I guess that means they smell nice and granny's bed is dry and she's not covered with infected decubitus ulcers.

    What we need is to abolish the public tit and make people regain their pride and honor by fending for themselves. If you knew that should you lose your job, you will go hungry, you'd darn sure clean your act up, get what training you could, live clean and get another job if you wanted to eat. If you couldn't afford healthcare, I'll bet you'd think a little harder about how you take care of your body and what would happen if you got injured or sick. Maybe you'd even start a medical savings plan that you owned and you collected interest on instead of flushing tens of thousands of bucks down the public sewer of health insurance.

    By turning our backs on God and putting our lives in the hands of politicians, we deserve to live miserable sad unfulfilled wretched lives spending our waning days rotting in a public warehouse alone and unwanted.

  2. #41
    Join Date
    Nov 2000
    Location
    Eastern PA
    Posts
    68,981
    Quote Originally Posted by printer2 View Post
    I see a problem though. If the insurance company goes bankrupt the people paying the premiums are out on the street.
    Which is why government regulations need to be focused on not allowing insurance companies to put themselves into such positions. Instead of focusing on how to rescue insurance companies after they are mismanaged and rescuing those who have put their trust in such insurance companies, government needs to be focused on not allowing insurance companies to get into such positions. Requiring a minimum amount of liquid asset that insurance companies must maintain per insured would create a business atmosphere within the insurance companies where million dollar bonuses and other expenses would need to be drawn from excess through good management rather than from the insured's whose money has been invested.

    Insurance companies are nothing more or less than investment groups that need to expend less than they bring in. Because of the volatile nature of investments and the uncertainty of how many insured persons are going to require benefits at any given time, insurance companies need to be required to have enough assets to handle the worst case sceanarios. Once that amount of revenue is established, then insurance companies should be allowed to pay absurd salaries and bonuses to those in the company that actually made the company so profitable.

    As long as government keeps paying for the mistakes made by insurance companies, using money confiscated from American workers through multiple tax systems, there is no need for insurance companies to be responsible for their actions of mismanagement. As long as insurance companies and their lobbyists are allowed to continue making absurd contributions to political parties and individual politicians, government will not be working for the betterment of the American workers who are paying for all of the waste and failures.
    Government is a disease...
    ...masquerading as its own cure…
    Ecclesiastes 10:2 NIV


  3. #42
    Join Date
    Feb 2009
    Location
    Canada
    Posts
    6,876
    Quote Originally Posted by RoBoTeq View Post
    Which is why government regulations need to be focused on not allowing insurance companies to put themselves into such positions. Instead of focusing on how to rescue insurance companies after they are mismanaged and rescuing those who have put their trust in such insurance companies, government needs to be focused on not allowing insurance companies to get into such positions. Requiring a minimum amount of liquid asset that insurance companies must maintain per insured would create a business atmosphere within the insurance companies where million dollar bonuses and other expenses would need to be drawn from excess through good management rather than from the insured's whose money has been invested.

    Insurance companies are nothing more or less than investment groups that need to expend less than they bring in. Because of the volatile nature of investments and the uncertainty of how many insured persons are going to require benefits at any given time, insurance companies need to be required to have enough assets to handle the worst case sceanarios. Once that amount of revenue is established, then insurance companies should be allowed to pay absurd salaries and bonuses to those in the company that actually made the company so profitable.

    As long as government keeps paying for the mistakes made by insurance companies, using money confiscated from American workers through multiple tax systems, there is no need for insurance companies to be responsible for their actions of mismanagement. As long as insurance companies and their lobbyists are allowed to continue making absurd contributions to political parties and individual politicians, government will not be working for the betterment of the American workers who are paying for all of the waste and failures.
    So sort of like the same rules we have for our banks (Canada). They whined and complained when the government would not let them extend themselves as much as they wanted to but in the end they survived without any government bailouts. What you need is politicians that will not bent to the whims of those with money and write rules that make sense.


    That last line was for comic relief.
    Never argue with a fool, onlookers may not be able to tell the difference. —Mark Twain

  4. #43
    Join Date
    Nov 2000
    Location
    Eastern PA
    Posts
    68,981
    Quote Originally Posted by printer2 View Post
    So sort of like the same rules we have for our banks (Canada). They whined and complained when the government would not let them extend themselves as much as they wanted to but in the end they survived without any government bailouts. What you need is politicians that will not bent to the whims of those with money and write rules that make sense.


    That last line was for comic relief.
    If that is what occured in Canada, then yes. That is basic capitalism being able to work because it is not interferred with with socialist ideals. A good movie about how the banks are supposed to work is, believe it or not, It's a Wonderful Life. When capitalism is allowed to operate in it's purest form, especially in a democratic republic in the way that the U.S. was originally designed to operate, it really can be a more wonderful life.
    Government is a disease...
    ...masquerading as its own cure…
    Ecclesiastes 10:2 NIV


  5. #44
    Join Date
    Feb 2012
    Posts
    1,268
    Quote Originally Posted by RoBoTeq View Post

    If that is what occured in Canada, then yes. That is basic capitalism being able to work because it is not interferred with with socialist ideals. A good movie about how the banks are supposed to work is, believe it or not, It's a Wonderful Life. When capitalism is allowed to operate in it's purest form, especially in a democratic republic in the way that the U.S. was originally designed to operate, it really can be a more wonderful life.
    Sounds good.... except for the monopolies that somehow are allowed to thrive....the corporations buying political power, and the massive overseas trading cutting our labor.

  6. #45
    Join Date
    Nov 2000
    Location
    Eastern PA
    Posts
    68,981
    Quote Originally Posted by AStudent View Post
    Sounds good.... except for the monopolies that somehow are allowed to thrive....the corporations buying political power, and the massive overseas trading cutting our labor.
    Listen up, socialist boy....corporations are capitalist and are the reason the U.S. is what it is today. Buying politicians is certainly not just a corporate function. Just look at all of the environmental lobbyists and labor unions that buy politicians.

    It's not overseas labor harming our jobs, it's the fact that the U.S. can't compete because there are too many organizations and too much government taking a piece of every American workers wages.
    Government is a disease...
    ...masquerading as its own cure…
    Ecclesiastes 10:2 NIV


  7. #46
    Join Date
    Feb 2012
    Posts
    1,268
    Quote Originally Posted by RoBoTeq View Post

    Listen up, socialist boy....corporations are capitalist and are the reason the U.S. is what it is today. Buying politicians is certainly not just a corporate function. Just look at all of the environmental lobbyists and labor unions that buy politicians.

    It's not overseas labor harming our jobs, it's the fact that the U.S. can't compete because there are too many organizations and too much government taking a piece of every American workers wages.
    I agree with the first paragraph, not so much with the second.

    You spit half truths out there and expect me to believe everything you say...kinda like my wife does.

    Don't throw me the but corporations are our saviors and we owe them everything speech. It's a bunch of bull, corporations would bend your mother over the kitchen sink if there was a dollar in it, and they might even give you a freebie touch to ensure you grew up to be their customer.

    There's nothing wrong with business, but there is something wrong with businesses buying politicians. Your excuse that oh but the lobbyists do it so we can too speech is also garbage....you gonna go smoke some crack cause the guy down the street does it? Two wrongs don't make a right my friend.

  8. #47
    Join Date
    Dec 2002
    Location
    Houston,Tx.
    Posts
    16,121
    I live on the same property my 86 year old step father with alzheimers and my Mom, I have never had any experience at all with anyone with alzheimers, everyday is a different day. Yesterday he come beating on my door, bout gave me a heart attack, I thought he was dying, he only wanted to give me my mail, I was pissed. My Mom sends him outside to get herself some relief, but then my son and I have to deal with him. Sunday evening he was running around in the yard with a hammer and his electric chainsaw and I had to go take it away from him, he was not happy about it, but forgot all about it later on. He seems to be getting meaner everyday, and cusses so bad, it would make a sailor blush, funny thing is every time we have taken him in to be evaluated for assistance he is a perfect angel, go figure!
    __________________________________________________ _______________________
    “Experience is a hard teacher because she gives the test first, the lesson afterwards". - Vernon Law

    "Never let success go to your head, and never let failure go to your heart". - Unknown

  9. #48
    Join Date
    Nov 2001
    Location
    East Texas
    Posts
    949
    Quote Originally Posted by hearthman View Post
    Up until Social Security, Medicare/ Medicaid, the New Deal, The Great Society and other social programs people were responsible for themselves. They grew gardens for food, tried to set a little money aside for a rainy day or if lucky built a nest egg on their own. Then some jobs began offering a "retirement", which was an investment where the business got perks for investing for the employee. Work weeks were established as we work hours. We got wage and hour laws to make life "fair'. We got OSHA and all sorts of regulations to keep us "safe" at work and protect us from every conceivable disaster. Where we used to take in and care for our elderly parents and family, we developed warehouses called "nursing homes" to store them for us. Steadily, we have been turning the responsibility of our lives over to others while we revert back to serfdom. We don't want to be bothered with having to wipe the butts of our parents, clean beds, deal with medicines, odors, and bodily fluids. They become a burden on our lifestyle. It is more convenient to place them in storage where we can visit them once in a blue moon when our conscience gets the better of us. We have come to expect that instead of saving money all along, just live life as you want and *someone* will provide for you in your latter years. Don't worry about it, Big Brother has your back. Can't afford private health insurance? Not a problem, we have universal healthcare now. Need drugs? Sure, why not. Need catheters, home health care supplies and a little scooter so you don't have to use those two poor legs God gave you because they weren't designed to hold the weight of two people, no problem. Need a ride to run errands? Sure, we'll send a car. Can't afford that tasty process crap that passes for food? Here are some coupons that *someone else* paid for.

    Every step of our lives has been degraded into an existence that is wholly dependent upon the welfare state--------by design. We have been trained to be apathetic towards our formerly loved ones instead relegating them to whatever the State chooses to do with them.

    You know, whenever I smell stale urine my knee jerk reaction is to comment that is reminds me of nursing homes. Sure, there are a few "good ones", whatever that means. I guess that means they smell nice and granny's bed is dry and she's not covered with infected decubitus ulcers.

    What we need is to abolish the public tit and make people regain their pride and honor by fending for themselves. If you knew that should you lose your job, you will go hungry, you'd darn sure clean your act up, get what training you could, live clean and get another job if you wanted to eat. If you couldn't afford healthcare, I'll bet you'd think a little harder about how you take care of your body and what would happen if you got injured or sick. Maybe you'd even start a medical savings plan that you owned and you collected interest on instead of flushing tens of thousands of bucks down the public sewer of health insurance.

    By turning our backs on God and putting our lives in the hands of politicians, we deserve to live miserable sad unfulfilled wretched lives spending our waning days rotting in a public warehouse alone and unwanted.
    Well done - bro !

  10. #49
    Join Date
    Feb 2004
    Location
    Woburn, MA
    Posts
    6,890
    Quote Originally Posted by RoBoTeq View Post
    According to my mom, who has alzheimers, her expensive nursing home is a prison. Whenever I visit her, the first words out of her are; Oh thank God, are you here to take me home? Then I ask; Do you even know who I am? To which she usually says something along the lines of; "Of course I know who you are, your that guy."

    mikewest, I understand what you are saying and can't really disagree. It's just that it is hard enough on family members who do have relatives in homes then to have to admit they really are in prisons.
    Sounds like my grandmother who lived until she was 97. She was still pretty good metally most of the way until the end. Near the end I would visit and get some pretty strange stuff out of her. I mentioned that the staff here seems very nice. She then tells me that they are only this way because I am there.

    Then she asks me to speak to them about the menu as she says that she knows that THEY know that she hates "Southern Cooking". Ok, no problem. As I'm wondering exactly what Southern cooking is I ask the desk person to show me the menu for the week. It contained what one would normally expect, tuna fish sandwhich and chicken soup with beverage and a fruit cup and stuff like that.

    My parents are in what is called a retirement community. It's a multi-building complex that is connected by heated walkways so they never have to go outside in bad weather. It's like a little city with banks, spas, resteraunts, all kinds of stuff. Also, there is a managed care facility on site so that if something happens to one of them, they won't be seperated. Also, under the terms of the contract, they can never be asked to leave for any reason, including running out of money.
    "Social networking" is an oxymoron.

Page 4 of 4 FirstFirst 1234

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  
Comfortech Show Promo Image

Related Forums

Plumbing Talks | Contractor Magazine
Forums | Electrical Construction & Maintenance (EC&M) Magazine
Comfortech365 Virtual Event