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  1. #40
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    People sometimes disagree about what constitues "advice.". To my thinking, it is information that is professional in nature regarding an HVAC issue about which the posting homeowner is asking.

    In order to post advice, you need Pro Membership with an asterisk (*).

    The rules, pro membership, and * links are shown below.
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    Quote Originally Posted by timebuilder View Post
    People sometimes disagree about what constitues "advice.". To my thinking, it is information that is professional in nature regarding an HVAC issue about which the posting homeowner is asking.

    In order to post advice, you need Pro Membership with an asterisk (*).

    The rules, pro membership, and * links are shown below.
    Then for AOP, I would be simpler to just say that only the OP and pros with a '*' can post.

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    Please understand that there must be limitations to the type of and extent of the advice that is given here. We will attempt to avoid any types of advice that could be dangerous or that might require special licensing or certifications. As you may know; there are laws that regulate certain materials and aspects of the HVAC industry, and in those cases or cases where we feel safety is of concern, we will give you an honest and sincere recommendation to retain the services of a licensed professional. There is a listing of professionals in our advertising section to assist you in finding qualified personnel to resolve your issues.

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    Quote Originally Posted by garya505 View Post
    Then for AOP, I would be simpler to just say that only the OP and pros with a '*' can post.
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  5. #44
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    Advice is when you give direction. In the case of the AOP area it means giving instructions how to fix something or helping DIY repairs that may be considered as a hazard or risk to the non professional.

    Conversation is chatting about specifics in a post or experiences learned that apply to the thread as long as the conversation doesn't include step by step "here's what I did" and "how".

    Questions are just that and anyone can ask a question in a thread to anyone that is in the thread.

    Any member can give life advice, have a conversation or ask a question but only a * member can give detail advice and that advice must follow the AOP rules.

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    I got a PM telling me to register as a pro.

    What's the criteria? Do you have to be in the industry or is some formal education sufficient?
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    The application should be submitted and the membership comittee determines if Pro status will be given.
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    Based on what I've just read, it seems any poster can make a post that disagrees with information provided by a pro*, as long as it is not step by step advice on "how to" something?
    Stupid example: A pro* states that condensing units with double row coils should be professionally cleaned by a pro by separating those coils so that the dirt built up between them can be removed. A non pro without an * after their name can make a post that says they don't think it is necessary and that they think it's just a gimmick?
    Is that OK by the rules? I really don't care one way or the other; I've just been seeing some inconsistancy in regards to how the rules are being interpreted, and I thought using this example question would help us all understand a little better.
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    I'm trying to make the boundaries more clear. The rules as written are above my pay grade. We'll see.
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    Knowing the rules for AOP, I tried to avoid giving advice, but I got a reminder in a PM that only pro '*' members can give advice in AOP. Can one of the mods here point to a post I made that gave advice (as defined by Dad)? Maybe that would help clear it up, at least for me.

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    I tried to remove my semi professional post but there is no edit button. You are welcome to delete my post, sometimes I do not see so well.
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    The way I see it, people fall into one of these categories:
    Pros
    Semi-pros
    Hacks
    Informed DIYers
    Clueless DIYers
    Idiots

    Let me know if I missed one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by garya505 View Post
    The way I see it, people fall into one of these categories:
    Pros
    Semi-pros
    Hacks
    Informed DIYers
    Clueless DIYers
    Idiots

    Let me know if I missed one.
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