A "reminder" about posting in the AOP forums

[54regcab]

If you do work on heating or refrigeration based appliances, apply.

Application sent. Dryers & Stoves heat, Refrigerators cool

[Mr Bill]

I think they should equip the Mods with tasers, don't tase my post bro.

[jmgregware]

Tiger, it may be nonsense to you now but when the "new" wears off it will be logical. This site has issues controlling DIY. Therefor we have made a new section and are allowing them to ask questions.

There are certain rules to follow that will allow us to speak with DIY and eliminate any liability. The AOP Committee is in charge of this area. The application is easy to fill out and send but you must be a Pro Member here to get the *.

Anyone can speak with a DIY but giving advice without the * is now forbidden or we will have to do away with letting DIY on our site all together.

For someone new like me, this turned out to be really confusing. I made a post which was a DIY post because the "ask our pro's' infers that the individual asking doesnt know and is looking for information. I would bet that for most people, they are looking for that information because they are looking to make the repair themselves... However, the concern about liability makes absolute sense. A suggestion might be to create a sub-forum where your pro's (*) and DIY'ers can communicate but with the legal caveat (a sticky) that anyone participating in that forum does so at their own risk, that all information is for educational purposes only and that all DIY'ers reading the posts are to contact a professional to undertake any/all suggestions, stated or inferred, and that this forum accepts NO responsibility for any information correct or incorrect due to the clear and present inability to control all public dissemination of information on a public forum. Then you're covered and DIY'ers have a GREAT resource to draw information from. Just a thought...

[beenthere]

For someone new like me, this turned out to be really confusing. I made a post which was a DIY post because the "ask our pro's' infers that the individual asking doesnt know and is looking for information. I would bet that for most people, they are looking for that information because they are looking to make the repair themselves... However, the concern about liability makes absolute sense. A suggestion might be to create a sub-forum where your pro's (*) and DIY'ers can communicate but with the legal caveat (a sticky) that anyone participating in that forum does so at their own risk, that all information is for educational purposes only and that all DIY'ers reading the posts are to contact a professional to undertake any/all suggestions, stated or inferred, and that this forum accepts NO responsibility for any information correct or incorrect due to the clear and present inability to control all public dissemination of information on a public forum. Then you're covered and DIY'ers have a GREAT resource to draw information from. Just a thought...

That does not prevent the filing of a lawsuit.

[jpsmith1cm]

That does not prevent the filing of a lawsuit.

That is because we are over-populated with lawyers and common sense is an endangered species.


Every time I call my congressman and suggest a hunting season for lawyers to help "thin the herd" I get all sorts of yelling and screaming, then the phone just clicks.

[jmgregware]

That does not prevent the filing of a lawsuit.

NO, you're right. But the simple truth is, nothing does. Anyone can file, about anything. All anyone can do is protect themselves from liability but that doesnt eliminate the cost of defending it. Unfortunately, there is no easy solution and liability is most definitely a must have parameter.

[timebuilder]

NO, you're right. But the simple truth is, nothing does. Anyone can file, about anything. All anyone can do is protect themselves from liability but that doesnt eliminate the cost of defending it. Unfortunately, there is no easy solution and liability is most definitely a must have parameter.

BUT...

the validity of a lawsuit CAN be prevented by not allowing the point of legal jeopardy to take place, i.e., if we do not allow DIY advice to be given, then we cannot be held liable for giving DIY advice that leads to injury or death.


So, no DIY for dangerous things. Advice like "check your air filter," or "is your thermostat set to cool" is permitted.

Not discussion of current draw for motors which is clearly directed by the desire to replace a motor oneself. THAT is DIY.

[54regcab]

That is because we are over-populated with lawyers and common sense is an endangered species.


Every time I call my congressman and suggest a hunting season for lawyers to help "thin the herd" I get all sorts of yelling and screaming, then the phone just clicks.

Who do you think is buying off the congressmen? They know which side their bread is buttered on... Also have you ever noticed a high percentage of congressmen were lawyer before getting into politics. They're going to stick up for their own...

[timebuilder]

Well, the Association of Trial Lawyers (now know as the less obvious American Association for justice) supports just one party.

Care to hazard a guess which party they wholeheartedly support?

[garyed]

Well, the Association of Trial Lawyers (now know as the less obvious American Association for justice) supports just one party.

Care to hazard a guess which party they wholeheartedly support?

I don't know the answer but I would guess they support whichever party sticks closest to the intent of the constitution.

[timebuilder]

I don't know the answer but I would guess they support whichever party sticks closest to the intent of the constitution.

Actually, they support the party that views the constitution as being inconvenient, preventing them from fully implementing their desired agenda.

[garyed]

Actually, they support the party that views the constitution as being inconvenient, preventing them from fully implementing their desired agenda.

If that's so then my guess would be the Communist party.

[jpsmith1cm]

If that's so then my guess would be the Communist party.

Close......




Seriously, this thread needs to get back on track.

[timebuilder]

Indeed. This is about AOP, not ARP. Lol.

Advice can be given in this forum by those with "Professional Member*" as the designation under their user name.

Not New Guest

Not Regular Member

Not Professional Member

ONLY Professional Member*

Look in the bottom of this post for links that explain the Rules, and the method for becoming a Professional Member and adding the *.

Thanks.

[timebuilder]

Please read.

Thanks.

[timebuilder]

And HEY......













...let's be careful out there.







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[surenuff]

THanks guys for the * by the name. That was fast, only applied last night. Sorry about posting some without it. I was not aware of it at first for I have not been out here for while. Ya'll kept getting on to people about posting without authorization, I thought you were talking to someone else. It was funny when I realized you were talking to me,........

[timebuilder]

Thanks for applying!

[garya505]

Can someone clarify? We can't post at all in AOP, or we just can't post advice?

[timebuilder]

People sometimes disagree about what constitues "advice.". To my thinking, it is information that is professional in nature regarding an HVAC issue about which the posting homeowner is asking.

In order to post advice, you need Pro Membership with an asterisk (*).

The rules, pro membership, and * links are shown below.