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  1. #14
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    What mess? It seemed to work fine.

    I've seen some pros post bad info or ask really stupid questions.
    General public's attitude towards our energy predicament: "I reject the reality of finite resource depletion and substitute it with my own; energy is infinite, we just need an alternative storage medium to run the cars on. The economy can grow indefinitely - we just need to "green" everything! Technology is energy! Peak what?"

  2. #15
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    Quote Originally Posted by amd View Post
    I've seen some pros post bad info or ask really stupid questions.
    No! Really?

  3. #16
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    I wish I could get a response like this when I ask someone to read a post... ghezzzz




    Hijack... the site rules have changed... updated legal posts #14 to include No Exceptions. If you are unfamiliar with it... take a quick gander so you can help report to the mods.. thx

  4. #17
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    What is required to acces the pro section? Is it only for HVAC contractors? I repair TV's and Appliances by trade, HVAC is a hobby/interest of mine. I've learned a lot in the 10 years I've been on this site.

  5. #18
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    From what I've been seeing, it seems the mods & AOP committee members are having a hard time keeping up with all of the violators of the rules. Maybe the software should be changed to allow any pro with a * after their name to edit or remove post from offenders. If a pro with a * after their name abuses this, they would be found out pretty soon and penalized accordingly.
    I've been seeing violations of the rules in threads where moderators have been posting, but ignoring postings in violations of the rules.
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  6. #19
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    Guilty. It was an accident. I saw the thread when I was in the "New Posts" section, and responded to it a few times before I realised it was from the AOP section. Oops. The same way I just realised what section this thread is in.

  7. #20
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    Quote Originally Posted by 54regcab View Post
    What is required to acces the pro section? Is it only for HVAC contractors? I repair TV's and Appliances by trade, HVAC is a hobby/interest of mine. I've learned a lot in the 10 years I've been on this site.
    If you do work on heating or refrigeration based appliances, apply.
    A good HVAC tech knows how, an educated HVAC tech knows why!

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    Quote Originally Posted by heaterman View Post
    If you do work on heating or refrigeration based appliances, apply.
    Application sent. Dryers & Stoves heat, Refrigerators cool

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    I think they should equip the Mods with tasers, don't tase my post bro.
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  10. #23
    Quote Originally Posted by Dad View Post
    Tiger, it may be nonsense to you now but when the "new" wears off it will be logical. This site has issues controlling DIY. Therefor we have made a new section and are allowing them to ask questions.

    There are certain rules to follow that will allow us to speak with DIY and eliminate any liability. The AOP Committee is in charge of this area. The application is easy to fill out and send but you must be a Pro Member here to get the *.

    Anyone can speak with a DIY but giving advice without the * is now forbidden or we will have to do away with letting DIY on our site all together.
    For someone new like me, this turned out to be really confusing. I made a post which was a DIY post because the "ask our pro's' infers that the individual asking doesnt know and is looking for information. I would bet that for most people, they are looking for that information because they are looking to make the repair themselves... However, the concern about liability makes absolute sense. A suggestion might be to create a sub-forum where your pro's (*) and DIY'ers can communicate but with the legal caveat (a sticky) that anyone participating in that forum does so at their own risk, that all information is for educational purposes only and that all DIY'ers reading the posts are to contact a professional to undertake any/all suggestions, stated or inferred, and that this forum accepts NO responsibility for any information correct or incorrect due to the clear and present inability to control all public dissemination of information on a public forum. Then you're covered and DIY'ers have a GREAT resource to draw information from. Just a thought...

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    Quote Originally Posted by jmgregware View Post
    For someone new like me, this turned out to be really confusing. I made a post which was a DIY post because the "ask our pro's' infers that the individual asking doesnt know and is looking for information. I would bet that for most people, they are looking for that information because they are looking to make the repair themselves... However, the concern about liability makes absolute sense. A suggestion might be to create a sub-forum where your pro's (*) and DIY'ers can communicate but with the legal caveat (a sticky) that anyone participating in that forum does so at their own risk, that all information is for educational purposes only and that all DIY'ers reading the posts are to contact a professional to undertake any/all suggestions, stated or inferred, and that this forum accepts NO responsibility for any information correct or incorrect due to the clear and present inability to control all public dissemination of information on a public forum. Then you're covered and DIY'ers have a GREAT resource to draw information from. Just a thought...
    That does not prevent the filing of a lawsuit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by beenthere View Post
    That does not prevent the filing of a lawsuit.
    That is because we are over-populated with lawyers and common sense is an endangered species.


    Every time I call my congressman and suggest a hunting season for lawyers to help "thin the herd" I get all sorts of yelling and screaming, then the phone just clicks.


  13. #26
    Quote Originally Posted by beenthere View Post
    That does not prevent the filing of a lawsuit.
    NO, you're right. But the simple truth is, nothing does. Anyone can file, about anything. All anyone can do is protect themselves from liability but that doesnt eliminate the cost of defending it. Unfortunately, there is no easy solution and liability is most definitely a must have parameter.

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