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    A/C oil additive to save energy.

    Hey all, new to site, great info.
    I have been asked by a homeowner to install this stuff to their system, but am hesitant. http://www.maxr100.com/#.
    The customer's neighbors had it done and claim it brought their electric bills down. The site is claiming something like a 25ish % jump in efficiency/reduction in energy consumption.
    My first thought was that it was something like a slick 50 and would plug the system, but looking further it isn't.
    The gains they are claiming are pretty impressive, any thoughts?

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    We had a chain of restaurants get pulled in to this a few years back. They paid us to install the additive and log the machine this was on 08/01/ ???? Then we were to come back in 6 months and log the machines. The sales pitch was that the machines would run lower pressures, and compressor ,evap and condenser fans would run lower amp draws and over all the machines would have a shorter cooling run time.

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    I have never seen such claims borne out.


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    More info

    They show before and after results on this page. http://www.maxr100.com/MaxR100BeforeAfter.html# The homeowner also gave me some other 3rd party tests showing 37% increase in efficiency and almost as much in capacity. They have a 4 mil insurance policy against unit damage.
    I am going to speak with my manufacturers rep to see what their stance is on adding this stuff. bio tech claims they will not void the mfg warranty. I will in no way be held responsible for adding the stuff and will get a hold harmless signed. I want to do some baselines just to compare for my own piece of mind. Thanks for the input, if anyone else knows anything about this product please feel free to give an opinion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by waltervan View Post
    We had a chain of restaurants get pulled in to this a few years back. They paid us to install the additive and log the machine this was on 08/01/ ???? Then we were to come back in 6 months and log the machines. The sales pitch was that the machines would run lower pressures, and compressor ,evap and condenser fans would run lower amp draws and over all the machines would have a shorter cooling run time.
    Do you remember what the results were? any adverse affects?

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    Unless they can suspend the laws of physics, this can only be BS.

    Consider: an oil additive can only be added to the oil. That cannot make a condenser fan run better. It cannot improve capacity. It can only reduce friction in compressor bearings. All other things in normal status, that friction is already negligible.

    No such gains could be realized by adding something to oil. 1%? Sure. 37%? I'd be barking mad to believe that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FLSunLvr View Post
    They show before and after results on this page. http://www.maxr100.com/MaxR100BeforeAfter.html# The homeowner also gave me some other 3rd party tests showing 37% increase in efficiency and almost as much in capacity. They have a 4 mil insurance policy against unit damage.
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    So if we have an undersized system, just add this additive on a three ton system and it becomes a 4 ton. How easy is that! LOL
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    From the installation guide:

    5. Instruct maintenance personnel that MaxR100™ will displace oil and carbon deposits on tube surfaces. Particularly in older systems, these deposits and oil returning to the compressor may clog in-line filters or oil filters.

    It is mandatory that a substantial supply of the replaceable items mentioned be provisioned in advance of installation.
    So who pays for the drier replacement...even if the snake oil works it's going to cost money to have the drier replaced...not to mention the potential compressor damage from a clogged drier.

    Plus what does a "substantial" supply of replaceable items mean...is the drier going to need to be replaced multiple times??

    No way would I put this in any system...old, new, good or bad.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FLSunLvr View Post
    Do you remember what the results were? any adverse affects?
    Well in Houston the OAT in August is around 100+ with 80%+ Hum and 6 months later January OAT is Hi- 60-70 low hum yes for the most part what they claimed was true. But with out a record of unit operations for a 12 month period I have to stand by my opinion of it is snake oil. In my opinion take any unit running in 100 OAT with high hum and compare it to running in low OAT and low Hum yes you will see a drastic difference. As for any adverse affect non that we saw but we were only used as a outside party with no connection to either party. The restaurant has a full HVAC crew that services all sites so we only logged the equipment and added the snake oil and nothing more.

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    if your system is coverd by any manufacture warranties, i would not use it.

    many manufacturers will reject a warranty claim if this substance is found in the failed part.

    i have seen systems that have run wit hless noise with a different type of oil addative than the one stated here, but with no other effects to the system.

    a compressor can in many ways be conpared to your car engine. have you added slick 50 to your car and succenly noticed a huge increase in your 0-60 speed??? didn't think so.
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    Is There Any Common Sense

    What amazes me about these products is the lack of simple common sense.

    If these claims were possible why wouldn't mfgrs such as Trane, Carrier, et. al. use it in their equipment. Manufacturers license products from vendors all the time, so its not the money (Trane buys tstats from Honeywell). Imagine how Trane could set themselves above the competition by using the product as std equipment. The added cost be be easily made up in increased sales at higher prices.

    And if Trane approached whoever made this product and offered to puchase 10,000 to 50,000 bottles a month to meet their production need, do you think they would say no thank you, I'll sell it myself...

    Finally, if you're a conspiracy theorist, there is no plausible explanation why HVAC mfgrs would want to keep this product under wraps. Its not like it would hurt their business... The only common sense answer is: it just doesn't work...

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    Here's the bottom line:

    If compressor manufacturers don't use it, don't endorse it, don't even mention it....DON'T FALL FOR IT!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shophound View Post
    Here's the bottom line:

    If compressor manufacturers don't use it, don't endorse it, don't even mention it....DON'T FALL FOR IT!!
    Agreed!

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