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Thread: Trane & R-123 Future
11-30-2009, 01:10 AM #1
Trane & R-123 Future
Any news? Rumors?
It's something that's starting to come up when I'm in discussions with a customer to buy a new chiller. 2030 is just around the corner if you are buying a chiller.
I know I give some of you Trane guys some grief but I will give you your due. I have always been very fond of your product. No gears, low pressure, it's shear genius.
Well, maybe not just around the corner, but something to consider.All my leon freaked out!
11-30-2009, 08:29 AM #2
Trane has a gear drive high pressure unit that they don't sell here.
I've always wondered what kind of deal was made on that one.God Bless the USA
11-30-2009, 09:21 AM #3Low Pressure Forever!
If you know heavy metal, you can work anywhere-Dave Andreson
Anchors Aweigh my boys, Anchors Aweigh!
Farewell to foreign shores, We sail at break of day. Through our last night on shore, Drink to the foam. Until we meet once more. Here's wishing you a happy voyage home!
11-30-2009, 09:41 AM #4
I ran into one of them when I did some work in South Africa.
But that would mean completely re-tooling Lacrosse to Mfr ASME certified vessels & a totally new compressor design.
Or, they could always do the American thing & close Lacrosse & open a new factory in Mexico.All my leon freaked out!
11-30-2009, 11:56 AM #5
Now the shells are being made in China and the compressor have always been made here and shipped over there.
I my information is correct the comp. manf. is currently being moved to China as well.
I inquired the other day for a customer here in the US that wanted to purchase a gear driven machine. The response that I got was that there are no plans to build or offer it in the US and the whole program is being moved overseas.
I could have some bad infomation but it came from a good source.
11-30-2009, 12:03 PM #6
Actual Interview or Advertisement??
I know that 134A already has marks against it because of it's inability to compete with 123 in terms of efficiency. So, even though it (134A) is less harmful to the environment I guess the "Trane" of thought is the electrical plants have to produce more electricity for these machines to operate. (That ought to get the party started)
But I suppose that would be just about right after all of the negative publicity the 134A users gave the 123 users & now user. I'm not sure if it would qualify as poetic justice (if it's true) but I'm sure it's close.
I make no bones about it, I am a hardcore low pressure chiller fan. I won't get into that because that's not what the thread is about.All my leon freaked out!
11-30-2009, 01:14 PM #7
The GWF/GWP ratings could disappear if the public reaction to climategate is serious enough to threaten the Politician's jobs. This could be a huge shakeup in the "refrigerant races". Efficiency could become "King".
11-30-2009, 08:19 PM #8
What climate change ?????? Theres a lot of people making a whole S%@#$load of money out of this whole climate change crap. Hell they even chaneged the name from global warming to climate change because they realized they were wrong ????????
All I do know is the phase out date for R123 will probably be pushed back much as it was for R22 because they couldnt make anything better .
R123 will be around until at least 2030 and I'll be at the lake" havin a few " and tinkering with my toys by then .You bend em" I"ll mend em" !!!!!!!
I"m not a service tech.. I"m a thermodynamic transfer analyst & strategic system sustainability specialist
Whooo Hooo spring at last , time to get the toys out ........vrrrroooooom !!!!
11-30-2009, 08:27 PM #9
11-30-2009, 09:10 PM #10
Global warmng is the biggest man made scam ever and is there to transfer money out of your wallet , into Al Gores. So that WPOS could continue living in his mansion, telling you to turn the lights off in your shack.Federal Reserve, stealing your kids futures since 1913
11-30-2009, 09:11 PM #11
I like low pressure machines and sure R-123 will be made until 2030, but with the mandatory production cuts I don't see how the price will not go through the roof.
2010 - 75% reduction of HCFC
2015 - 90% reduction of HCFC
2020 - 99.5% reduction of HCFC
2030 - 100% reduction of HCFC
Has anybody seen any info that predicts what the prices might be?
11-30-2009, 09:25 PM #12
By the time that 2020 gets here, China, North Korea or Iran could be manufacturing boatloads of HCFCs. There are still countries making CFCs today.
11-30-2009, 09:28 PM #13
Trane is constantly putting their feet in their mouths. I remember some time back a report that trane did with refrigerant bubbles exploding and ruining gears, Or somethng like that. And what did they do, Made a chiller with gears .
HEY ITRANE,,, Opem mouth and insert foot. Want some ketchup with that!