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    R22 Recovery cost

    Hello,

    I'll fess up and admit that I am not a professional, but I did read the rules, so I won't ask about cost and/or diagnosis and/or howto.

    However, I am interested in the professional consensus on if an R22 recovery fee is charged by service providers. I have used a reputable company for years, and he said the charge is totally bogus and is just used to pump up the cost. For reasons I won't go into, I am being forced to use a different company to do some work, and they charge the fee (which is not insignificant). I was reading around online - and it looks as though wholesellers are starting to pay to get the stuff back. What's the deal?


    Thanks!

    [edit: In retrospect - unfortunate thread title. Duh. I'll take flames like a man.]

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    I will remind everyone not to post any rates or prices.

    Recovery equipment is extremely expensive and most suppliers do not buy back refrigerant unless it's large quantities. When the government mandates something and doesn't pay for it, someone has to.

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    Some of the costs are:

    Labor to recover into an approve container using an approved machine.

    Labor to transfer the small container into a large container that the suppliers will accept.

    Shipping cost / labor to return the large container and pick up an empty large container.

    Expense to replace worn out or broken recover machines.

    Expense to re-certify the recover container. The bottles have an expiration date.

    Expense to have multiple bottles to store multiple refrigerants.

    Expense to destroy refrigerants that have been mixed. It is possible to mix refrigerants unknowingly. Mostly recovering one refrigerant labeled one thing and is actually a different refrigerant.

    Either a company needs to incorporate these costs into their rates or charge a reasonable fee to the people that need the service.
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    Quote Originally Posted by k-fridge View Post
    I will remind everyone not to post any rates or prices.

    Recovery equipment is extremely expensive and most suppliers do not buy back refrigerant unless it's large quantities. When the government mandates something and doesn't pay for it, someone has to.
    That pretty much spells it out!
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    Ok, let me fess up a bit more. The deal here is that the 'recovery fee' is charged to the homeowner vice the home warranty company. My reputable service provider doesn't charge the fee and says that the guys who work with the home warranty companies charge it just because they can't break even on the money the insurance company pays.

    This home warranty thing is unbelievable. They are paying 'their' contractor one third what my two quotes were. I don't understand how they can do that. One third?!? If I went to work one day and they only offered me 1/3 of my paycheck I would quit.

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    And you get 1/3 the quality from those home warranty contractors!
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    Fair enough

    This is why I am trying to take the cash and pay my guy...

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    That would be a very good idea! Good for you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by haveitall View Post
    Hello,

    I'll fess up and admit that I am not a professional, but I did read the rules, so I won't ask about cost and/or diagnosis and/or howto.

    However, I am interested in the professional consensus on if an R22 recovery fee is charged by service providers. I have used a reputable company for years, and he said the charge is totally bogus and is just used to pump up the cost. For reasons I won't go into, I am being forced to use a different company to do some work, and they charge the fee (which is not insignificant). I was reading around online - and it looks as though wholesellers are starting to pay to get the stuff back. What's the deal?


    Thanks!

    [edit: In retrospect - unfortunate thread title. Duh. I'll take flames like a man.]

    I can only wonder what he is doing to avoid the added costs of refrigerant recovery as already outlined for you. There is the right way and the wrong way, he has to be doing one or the other.

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    Without going into great depth, I can tell you one fundamental of economics I learned at NYU:

    The Consumer Pays All Costs.

    Now, your guy, as you call him, has the same costs outlined above in regards to recovering and handling refrigerants, as mandated by the government. Those are real costs that end up on his books.

    Now, he can either create a specific charge that handles those costs, or he can simply incorporate those costs into this overall program. Maybe some ends up in equipment markup. Maybe some is in a trip charge. Maybe another portion is in the labor rate. Regardless, he IS charging for the costs associated with the refrigerant handling, but he is not itemizing the cost on your invoice.

    There is nothing wrong with a discrete charge for the service.
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    TB there is another way to handle the additional work and cost of recovery, I suspect he may be using that way.

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    For the guy who is not charging for refrigerant recovery, either he is adding that cost into the services he offers that require refrigerant recovery or he is using the great big recovery cylinder in the sky...

    If he is doing the first, fine and great...

    If not, shame on him.
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    Not every customer needs refrigerant recovered. The company I work for is flat rate. Each task is billed as a line item. I only charge a recovery fee when I recover a refrigerant.

    Why would anybody want to pay a small portion of the recovery costs when the tasks preformed on their equipment do not require any recovery. It's like just buying a quarter pounder and being charged for a combo meal that includes fries and a drink. Some times I just want the cheeseburger
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