ice cold additive

[allenb2626]

I think i could see this stuff making more problems then it does good.. anyone ever used this stuff i got people asking me about it alot. http://coolercarandhome.com/

[Stamas]

http://hvac-talk.com/vbb/showthread....hlight=icecold

Try this old thread.

[allenb2626]

looks like junk to me..

[novicecrafter]

So some people from or representing ICECOLD (they refer to it as ICECOLD refrigerant catalyst) came to my company and wanted us to buy it from them. I was skeptical, thinking, snake oil. But then they started touting its history of installs saying how it doesn’t void warranties, which is true for residential use, but not commercial use, like office buildings or hospitals or data centers etc, like they were claiming.

http://business.ftc.gov/documents/bu...#Magnuson-Moss The Act does not apply to warranties on products sold for resale or for commercial purposes. The Act covers only warranties on consumer products. This means that only warranties on tangible property normally used for personal, family, or household purposes are covered.


Anyway I bought a small amount. I sent it to a friend of mine who works in a chemical lab to see if he can figure out what’s in the stuff, see if its legit or not (as part of my due diligence). These are the results I got from him and his basic thinking on how the stuff would supposedly work. Just to remind everyone I received the material by legal and honest means and reverse engineering is 100% legal and a critical part of our innovation history and system (since the stuff is listed as conveniently having a trade secret formula).

tri-m-tolyl phosphate CAS 563-04-2 (it is possibly harmful and dangerous for the environment http://www.chemexper.com/cheminfo/se...mat=google2008 )( http://hgspace.com/chemical-dictiona.../563-04-2.html )
bis-(2-methoxyethoxy) ether CAS 143-24-8
others are easily available, like triethylene glycol methyl ethyl ether and triethylene glycol dimethyl ether

All components are used as solvent of refrigerant. That will help reduce the amount of refrigerant required for evaporation in the refrigerator system.
In addition to be a solvent component, the phosphate acts as a dispersant to prevent tiny particles "fix" on the surface in the system, that will temporarily improve the thermo efficiency.

Two major components types of compounds. One is a mixture of glycol derivatives, about 57%
The other is tri(m-tolyl)phosphate, about 42%.

But is it a catalyst, since it gets used up? I dont think so.

Catalysis is the change in rate of a chemical reaction due to the participation of a substance called a catalyst, unlike other reagents, it is not consumed (from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catalysis) .

Here is a question to ask these icecold refrigerant catalyst, people, are the units that had this stuff installed 3 years ago still keeping KWH down? I doubt it.

Im most upset at how they where misleading about the magnuson moss act protecting warranties which is simply not true, for any commercial units, like I wouldnt find and read the act easily online.

In the end I am glad I only invested $300 and did my due diligence. I would recommend you guys to share this information with others. What do y'all think?

[-80guru]

A properly cleaned and installed system should have no need for the stuff. An improperly cleaned and /or improperly installed system would likely not be helpedby it either, JMO.

[really?422]

I purchased some icecold a few months back and have used the product many of times now and have it installed on all of my vehicles and home too. The product is amazing and the reason most do not like it is simply because they are not using it. Ive been certified hvac for 11 years now and i have tried other products out there. Most everything ive tried was junk, but ive had this stuff in my ac for four years now and it still works great like when it was installed. This product works, even on newly installed systems. Alot of us hvac guys know the moment your new unit is turned on, it automatically starts its degradation process of carrying compressor oil with the refrigerant, dispersing it throughout the system, causing a boundary layer on the insides of the lines that prevent some of the thermal dissipation that is suppose to be occuring in the system. Ive put it in brand new systems and old systems alike. If the system was running properly, it benefited from the stuff. I have reduced my ac bill by about 14% and my house is always comfortable. Not everyone has the money to replace systems so this is something that alot of people would love to have as well as having something else to offer the customer besides replacement. It is agreed that a properly running system has no need for the stuff, but in places like south texas, flordia, georgia, there is a need for colder systems than what can currently be achieved with existing refrigerants.

[novicecrafter]

I purchased some icecold a few months back and have used the product many of times now and have it installed on all of my vehicles and home too. The product is amazing and the reason most do not like it is simply because they are not using it. Ive been certified hvac for 11 years now and i have tried other products out there. Most everything ive tried was junk, but ive had this stuff in my ac for four years now and it still works great like when it was installed. This product works, even on newly installed systems. Alot of us hvac guys know the moment your new unit is turned on, it automatically starts its degradation process of carrying compressor oil with the refrigerant, dispersing it throughout the system, causing a boundary layer on the insides of the lines that prevent some of the thermal dissipation that is suppose to be occuring in the system. Ive put it in brand new systems and old systems alike. If the system was running properly, it benefited from the stuff. I have reduced my ac bill by about 14% and my house is always comfortable. Not everyone has the money to replace systems so this is something that alot of people would love to have as well as having something else to offer the customer besides replacement. It is agreed that a properly running system has no need for the stuff, but in places like south texas, flordia, georgia, there is a need for colder systems than what can currently be achieved with existing refrigerants.

In my opinion, You are probably someone with vested interest in Icecold, your comment is as transparent as your intentions. Not to mention you are so dumb (careless) by easily providing plenty of evidence of your buffoonery and duplicitousness in the comment.

Some case and point, of your spam post to try to trick and manipulate people into thinking icecold is anything more than snakeoil or at the very best a temporary boost to ac units with some serious long term negative potential on the units mechanisms. See my original post where I listed its components, they are not stable and will not maintain the effect that is claimed, that is simple chemistry.

1) "I purchased some icecold a few months back " "ive had this stuff in my ac for four years now" contradict yourself much?

2) "in places like south texas, flordia, georgia, there is a need for colder systems than what can currently be achieved with existing refrigerants" are you a retard? You do not think existing refrigerants and units can handle the heat of the south?

3) "I have reduced my ac bill by about 14% and my house is always comfortable" I think that the whole thing about it lowering your ac bill is complete garbage, unless you are the one person who gets a separate electricity bill for their ac unit than the rest of their house. Maybe at one time when first adding in the product you tested the ac units run time or amperage draw or something, but that itself is still very difficult to gauge without a control. The idea though to say it lowered your ac bill is just so dumb.

4) Further this comment of yours is worded to lead one to think that this product can make existing refrigerants and units blow out colder air while using less energy. So this icecold product defies the laws of thermodynamics? I mean you are saying that it makes a unit blow out colder air in hotter environments (the comment about texas, georgia etc needing something colder than what refrigerant is on the market, and since this is an additive not a refrigerant replacement) but you also said that it has lowered your ac bill by 14%. So it both makes a unit blow out colder air (which would need more energy) and it lowers your electricity bill, which means it is using less energy.

[Danni63]

Hey, Yall!

My husband heard an ad for IceCold on the radio here in Georgia a few of months ago. So he had me do some research into having it installed. Turns out that only one company "owns" the product & thus the rights to install it: Dixie Home Crafters. Filled out their online form to get info & they set an appt to meet me & husband for a "short consult." 3-4 hours later, we agreed to have the product installed in our home a/c and my truck (plus have insulation blown in the "attic" and have some kind of film put on 2 of the LR windows). The price for which was steep in my opinion, but what do I know about the industry, right?

During the consultation I asked 2 specific questions:
1) Is it toxic?
2) Do you use sub-contractors to do the work?

I'm glad someone on here has confirmed that the product isn't toxic. But I was disappointed that they had 3 different people do the work. On installed the IceCold, another blew in the insulation, and yet another applied the film on the windows. The latter 2 were obviously sub-contractors, because the vehicles they drove up in had different company names on the sides!!!

Anyway, that wasn't enough to ban them from my home.

This was mid July (2012), and in the past 2 months, the air definitely blows out of the vents colder. At home, I have to have the thermostat turned up a degree higher during the day to keep from freezing while I work (I work from home on the computer.) And the truck a/c fan gets turned down then the temp turned "down" (to a warmer setting) often, because the air is too cold.

Here's where the trouble starts... A week or 2 later, the compressor froze up. The only other time that's ever happened was when the filter got so dirty that the system couldn't get enough air into the intake vent (which is where the filter is). (Hard lesson learned, so it gets replaced on schedule.) So, I checked date on the filter to confirm that it was ok, and it was only 17 days since it was installed new. Since that time, the compressor has frozen up several times. Just this past week, now that the outside temps have dropped into the 60s & 50s at night, this has happened 3 times. And we can't sleep with the windows open (as I prefer) because my husband has pretty bad allergies ("hay fever" he says). The effect on the power bill has been negligent. I suspect that it's partially due to the fact that the a/c unit continues to run, but not produce any cold air because the compressor is frozen, thus the home never cools off, thus the a/c unit never shuts off... Until I turn it off because I notice that it's hot in the house but the a/c is running wide open!

I've tried to call the company, but the office numbers (on the business cards that were given to us) ring once the inform me that the person I'm trying to reach cannot be reached & hangs up. I've called the cell phone (also on the card) for the sales person who did the demonstration/consultation, but only get voice mail. This doesn't look very good.

So... my question is, could it really be the IceCold that's freezing up the compressor? If so, what can be done to prevent it?

[SBKold]

There is likely a problem unrelated to that additive. Call another company.

[mark beiser]

Something I've always wondered about when it comes to products like this.

If it strips the boundery layer of oil off the insides of the tubing, how does it know not to strip the lubricating oil film off the moving parts of the compressor?

[global cooling]

Question for guest Really? You say that you bought some a few months ago and then two sentences later you say that it has been in your system for four years now. Really?
comment to Mark Beiser. Very shrewd observation.
I am interested in this product because a local company is marketing it.
To paraphrase the Bible, I want to believe but help me with my unbelief.
As soon as I can get my hands on some of this I will post the results.

[SBres22]

but in places like south texas, flordia, georgia, there is a need for colder systems than what can currently be achieved with existing refrigerants.

...ummmm we can achieve ANY temp with the right equipment and refrigerants... sounds like this guy is a stockholder in company that googled the stuff, saw this and made an account.

with that being said, i'd prefer not to use any additives for residential or commercial, just because if the system is designed correctly and properly functioning then it is bound to decrease efficiency in some way.

I would have NO problem dumping that into my car however.

I would love to hear more info, maybe find 2 identical units and run them together one with, one without.... I DUNNO.. I'm skeptical. Compressor lifetime, electrical efficiency... so much to consider. sorry for rant, but I would like to hear more.

[supertek65]

LMFAO!!!!!!!!

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n my opinion, You are probably someone with vested interest in Icecold, your comment is as transparent as your intentions. Not to mention you are so dumb (careless) by easily providing plenty of evidence of your buffoonery and duplicitousness in the comment.

Some case and point, of your spam post to try to trick and manipulate people into thinking icecold is anything more than snakeoil or at the very best a temporary boost to ac units with some serious long term negative potential on the units mechanisms. See my original post where I listed its components, they are not stable and will not maintain the effect that is claimed, that is simple chemistry.

1) "I purchased some icecold a few months back " "ive had this stuff in my ac for four years now" contradict yourself much?

2) "in places like south texas, flordia, georgia, there is a need for colder systems than what can currently be achieved with existing refrigerants" are you a retard? You do not think existing refrigerants and units can handle the heat of the south?

3) "I have reduced my ac bill by about 14% and my house is always comfortable" I think that the whole thing about it lowering your ac bill is complete garbage, unless you are the one person who gets a separate electricity bill for their ac unit than the rest of their house. Maybe at one time when first adding in the product you tested the ac units run time or amperage draw or something, but that itself is still very difficult to gauge without a control. The idea though to say it lowered your ac bill is just so dumb.

4) Further this comment of yours is worded to lead one to think that this product can make existing refrigerants and units blow out colder air while using less energy. So this icecold product defies the laws of thermodynamics? I mean you are saying that it makes a unit blow out colder air in hotter environments (the comment about texas, georgia etc needing something colder than what refrigerant is on the market, and since this is an additive not a refrigerant replacement) but you also said that it has lowered your ac bill by 14%. So it both makes a unit blow out colder air (which would need more energy) and it lowers your electricity bill, which means it is using less energy.