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  1. #1
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    how long will nitro filled r22 units b available?

    when do u think the gov. will put a stop to nitrogen filled r22 units if ever?

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    As soon as dupont tells them to!
    Never argue with a crazy man.

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    Whenever carrier shoots themselves in the foot, which I believe they are attempting to do.

    "R-22 dry units circumvent the epa regs!"
    'Aren't you guys selling them?"
    "ohhhh....crap."
    "Better tell the sandman to stay away, because we're gonna be workin on this one all night."

    "Dude, you need more than 2 wires to a condenser to run a 2 stage heatpump."

    "Just get it done son."

    Dad adjusted

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    Don't take my word as the Divine Gospel on this one but when I was in school for HVAC this summer, I heard somewhere that the EPA wants to get rid of them within the next 5 years. Not sure, don't quote me.

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    Carrier is lobbying the EPA to stop it.

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    dry units are gonna be around awhile..... 8+ years i hear....
    catch a man a fish , feed him for a day.
    teach a man to fish , ruin a good business opportunity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chuckcrj View Post
    Carrier is lobbying the EPA to stop it.
    Yup, and Puron is a registered trademark of who?
    The picture in my avatar is of the Houston Ship Channel and was taken from my backyard. I like to sit outside and slap mosquitos while watching countless supertankers, barges and cargo ships of every shape and size carry all sorts of deadly toxins to and fro. It's really beautiful at times.....just don't eat the three eyed fish....

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    When we are not allowed to sell DRY units, and when they phase out R410, what will we be allowed to sell then???
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    As long as there is a market $$$$$$$$$ for them they will be available
    Knowledge is Truth.

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    You never know what the gov is going to do but I don't see how they can stop any manufacturer who wants to make a dry unit. All they need to do is label the unit for 422b or 417a or whatever HFC refrigerant is compatible with R22. I'm sure there's no law saying that manufacturers have to use 410a only as the new refrigerant.
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    As always, follow the money trail.

    Carrier put all of their eggs in the 410A (Puron) basket. Their corporate marketing decision. They completely missed the boat on what consumers wanted, especially in this pitiful economy...an inexpensive alternative to replacing their entire system resultant to losing a condensing unit, with that only alternative being all new R-410A equipment, and the additional labor to install it.

    Of course, Carrier's competitors saw another opportunity, and cashed in on it. Carrier being who they are, rather than joining the party have tried to control the party....they have lobbied hard to have this overturned....to no avail.

    They dry units will be available as long as there is a demand for them, just as replacement R-22 compressors will be available as long as there is a market for them.

    Interesting article about this issue. Make no mistake about this...their stance is entirely driven by sales $$ and corporate pride.
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    You guys are partially correct.

    The dry units will be made until the replacement for 410A is rolled out. So, my guess it ten years, minimum.

    In 15 months, the epa will be getting a haircut, so lobbying to make 410A only will be futile. I think they already see that writing on the wall.
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    My guess is the determining factor is going to be the price of R22.
    When it starts getting too high that will cause an end to the demand for dry units.
    Gary
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    A technician works on what he would never design.

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