Sedition

[skrewt]

Sedition:
n. the federal crime of advocacy of insurrection against the government or support for an enemy of the nation during time of war, by speeches, publications and organization. Sedition usually involves actually conspiring to disrupt the legal operation of the government and is beyond expression of an opinion or protesting government policy. Sedition is a lesser crime than "treason," which requires actual betrayal of the government, or "espionage." Espionage involves spying on the government, trading state secrets (particularly military) to another country (even a friendly nation), or sabotaging governmental facilities, equipment or suppliers of the government, like an aircraft factory. During U.S. participation in World War II (1941-1945) several leaders of the German-American Bund, a pro-Nazi organization, were tried and convicted of sedition for actively interfering with the war effort.

Democrats anyone?

[remember]

sounds like another possible charge for the bushies,
sedition.


they are aiding an enemy in a time of war.

after all, right now, the "war on terror " that was mainly aimed at alqueada, and the like is still going on.

the bushies have in effect by invading an arab country under false pretenses, thus fulfilling the osama predictions of the US invading the holy land for oil.
so not only has bush let the al queada leader fade to the backround, and even helped the hijackers carry out 9-11,( in the sense they were in office when certain FBI agents allowed a handful of hijackers to remain free, as was the case in the chicago FBI office, where pat fitzgerald was illinois atty general, who was also "closed down" by the justice dept, and specifically restricted from continuing the investigations of what would become several of the 9-11 hijackers.)
but the deft plan of the bushies has done nothing but strengthen and solidify "bin ladenism" around the world, which has made his family and the bin laden family even more wealthy.

in a time of war,
bushies have lied to the public.
they have misrepresented facts
they have been connected to criminal cases that are currently ongoing. including an open grand jury case where the posssible outing of a cia agent(a treasonous, or is that a seditious act?)

they have been caught openly propagandizing the public with illegally paid journalists shilling for them, they have still not seen fit to demand answers as to who outed plame. bush is the commander in chief, and the boss of the people in question. he can tell them, either tell me exactly what happened now , or you are fired and the grand jury will get it out of you later... and since we already know rove and libby were involved.whether they actually broke a law or not is meaningless considering what bush said, anyone of his people ,if they are involved they won't be working for him... well, the bushie flip flopped again. another lie...

how many ways do you want it?


you make a bold statement like sedition.but, you seem to be ass backwards at who you are hurling that term at.


now, if you really want to talk about sedition,
lets talk about the establishment shills in both parties that really are seperating the people from their gov't.

if you were really a patriotic american, you might rather expend your energy becoming aware what is really happening , instead of just joining the chiorgirls, cheerleading for their team, against the other.

both the left wing, and the right wing, belong to the same bird. that is sedition, in a gov't of the people for the people , by the people.

an insuurection against an illegal and corrupt gov't was a right granted in the declaration of independance. it is the duty of americans to throw off the shakles of a gov't that shows a pattern of working against the good of the people.
and new laws and plans like the patriot act and the fema rules, which give even wider authority to whomever is in the whitehouse to decare an insurrection and suspend the constitutionare others pieces of a pattern to deny the gov't of the people; to the people.
who is the "secret gov't"
the contingency plan, for "continuity of gov't" why can't those people be known. there is no reason for any disaster that the rulers of this country need to be a secret.
that is sedition... as long as we are throwing words around.

and that is what we have.

a country with bounty, ingenuity, resources, and vast wealth, yet, we are watching our infrastructure crumble,our industry be moved off shore, and our labor force outsourced and immigration loopholes to drive down wages. the wages that need to go up to help the economy expand into the debt being created.
the gov't coffers are being looted as we speak. the republicans besides the nationbuilding rampage they are on, and the new entitlements like a medicare bill that specifically denies the gov't from negotiating for better prices, as is customary EVERYWHER else,or the largest expansion of gov't with the dept of homeland security, that is obviously ineffectual at this point, since they couldn't even help in a hurricane, everyone saw coming.


and as long as you made a stab at the democrats(which I am not, I am a registered independant)most of the industrialists who supported the germans before,during and after WWII, were republicans. the duponts,morgans,rockefellers,alfred sloan,james mooney, henry ford,prescott bush,george herbert walker..... even though many were democrats too, joe kennedy, rockefellers,etc.

who are you saying was above trading with the enemy? that is my question. not, GM,FORD,STANDARD OIL,UNION BANKING CORPORATION,BROWN BROS. HARRIMAN,ITT,CHASE BANK,JP MORGAN,,ETC.

[James 3528]

LOL What a moron.

[ryan_the_furnace_guy]

Originally posted by James 3528
LOL What a moron.

Mega-dittos!

[rob10]

Prolonging this modern day vietnam for personal gain!!

[geerair]

Originally posted by skrewt
Sedition:
n. the federal crime of advocacy of insurrection against the government or support for an enemy of the nation during time of war, by speeches, publications and organization. Sedition usually involves actually conspiring to disrupt the legal operation of the government and is beyond expression of an opinion or protesting government policy. Sedition is a lesser crime than "treason," which requires actual betrayal of the government, or "espionage." Espionage involves spying on the government, trading state secrets (particularly military) to another country (even a friendly nation), or sabotaging governmental facilities, equipment or suppliers of the government, like an aircraft factory. During U.S. participation in World War II (1941-1945) several leaders of the German-American Bund, a pro-Nazi organization, were tried and convicted of sedition for actively interfering with the war effort.

Democrats anyone?

Copped this from the ever inaccurate, bomb throwing, say anything for a buck Ann Coulter did you?

[bootlen]

Originally posted by remember
sounds like another possible charge for the bushies,
sedition.


they are aiding an enemy in a time of war.

after all, right now, the "war on terror " that was mainly aimed at alqueada, and the like is still going on.

the bushies have in effect by invading an arab country under false pretenses, thus fulfilling the osama predictions of the US invading the holy land for oil.
so not only has bush...yadda, yadda, yadda, ad nauseum...

We all have to understand that remember doesn't read very well, if at all.

[refrigeration mafia]

Originally posted by skrewt
...during time of war...

How about a war on ignorance?

This JOINT RESOLUTION is not a formal declaration of war.

107th CONGRESS
2d Session
H. J. RES. 114
October 10, 2002

JOINT RESOLUTION
To authorize the use of United States Armed Forces against Iraq.

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Sometimes referred to as the War Powers Clause, the United States Constitution, Article One, Section 8, Clause 11, vests in the Congress the exclusive power to declare war.

Five wars have been declared in American history: the War of 1812, the Mexican-American War, the Spanish-American War, World War I and World War II. Some historians argue that the legal doctrines and legislation passed during the operations against Pancho Villa constitute a sixth declaration of war.

However, beginning with the Korean War, American presidents have not sought formal declarations of war, instead maintaining that they have the constitutional authority, as commander in chief (Article Two, Section Two) to use the military for "police actions".

In 1973, Congress passed the War Powers Resolution, which requires the president to obtain either a declaration of war or a resolution authorizing the use of force from Congress within 60 days of initiating hostilities. Its constitutionality has never been tested as Congress has always passed the required authorization when requested by the president.

Some legal scholars maintain that all military action taken without a Congressional declaration of war (regardless of the War Powers Resolution) is unconstitutional; however, the Supreme Court has never ruled directly on the matter.

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"There is no war on terrorism. Congress has not declared any such war.”

"It is an interesting fact that our country has won every declared war and lost every undeclared war,”

He cited the Spanish-American War, World War I and World War II as the declared wars in which the U.S. was victorious.

By contrast, Phillips said, the U.S. lost in the Korean War, "which was a police action … under the authority of the United Nations;" Vietnam, which "was not a declared war,” for which the Gulf of Tonkin Resolution was no substitute for a Declaration of War; and Desert Storm.

Desert Storm? The Gulf War where then-President George H.W. Bush triumphantly declared the U.S. "beat the Vietnam syndrome”?

"I would posit that Desert Storm was a war that we lost,” insisted Phillips, "because Saddam Hussein remained in power, etc.

"The reason you lose undeclared wars is because the Congress has not defined the objects of war,”

[James 3528]

Then we should stop the war on poverty.

[Special Ed]

Originally posted by James 3528
LOL What a moron.

James, you read all of Remember's post? Gotta give ya credit on that one.

[bootlen]

Watching grass grow, paint dry, water come to a boil...all of these are more cerebrally exciting than reading remember's posts. And infinitely closer to arriving at truth.

[Special Ed]

If I had the time I would read 'em, for entertainment purposes, of course. But I have other things to do, other forums to visit & I've only got a limited amount of time to do it.

[skrewt]

http://www.thelawencyclopedia.com/term/sedition

moron