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    Hello, I am in need of a new boiler. I have done a lot of online research so far and have determined that when I win the Lottery I can install a Viessman. But since I have yet to win I am interested in any info or thoughts on the Biasi B10 oil boilers. I like the 3 pass, smaller water volume and lower flue gas temp factors. Are these good boilers because they seem to be less expensive. I did a search an this site and found that many people seemed to mention Burnhams, are these better boilers.

    Any thought, opinions, ect. on the Biasi wouild be appreciated since I coundn't find much info out there on my own.

    Thanks

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    Hmm European MFG.

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    [Edited by dan sw fl on 11-20-2005 at 03:38 AM]
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    Re: European MFG.

    Originally posted by dan sw fl
    Originally posted by pbrousseau
    Hello, I am in need of a new boiler.

    But since I have yet to win I am interested in any info or thoughts on the Biasi B10 oil boilers. I like the 3 pass, smaller water volume and lower flue gas temp factors.

    Are these good boilers because they seem to be less expensive. ... Any thought, opinions, ect. on the Biasi wouild be appreciated since I coundn't find much info out there on my own.
    If you can't find info on a manufacturer, and parts availability is signficantly restricted then
    it may NOT be a good choice,

    However, if a local company handles this manufacturer you may be in luck.

    http://www.qhtinc.com/pdf/b10final.pdf

    http://www.qhtinc.com/pdf/B10CHIMNEYMANUALREV_F.pdf

    http://www.houseneeds.com/shop/Heati...boilermain.asp

    Best of luck ..
    keep us informed of your pursuit of the Biasi product.

    [Edited by dan sw fl on 11-20-2005 at 03:34 AM]
    Designer Dan
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    Biasi's a big outfit in Italy. Not as fancy as Vie$$mann as they don't make their own custom boiler controls and you need to keep the return water temp over 130° like any other oil fired boiler. The B-10 was also marketed under the Vega name for a number years already.

    Unless you have warranty issues with the cast iron sections, you really don't need any parts from them.

    Put a Riello burner on it and you'll have a great combo.

    I was going to put one in my home, but needed a top flue boiler. All of the 3 pass boilers usualy have all their piping come off the rear of the boiler around the flue making it a bit of a pain to pipe.

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    Thanks for the replies.

    dan sw fi- thanks for the links. I am able to find several relatively local companies that do deal with Biasi. So I don't think that will be a problem. We were planing to buy the boiler from houseneeds.com and have a plumber or heating contractor come in and install it.

    John sp- We were planning on putting in a Riello burner since that is what a QHT rep recommended at a home show we recently went to.

    Our current boiler is a top flue boiler also, how much additional room or extra piping does a rear flue boiler take? Or are there other issues I should consider?

    Also I would like to get any thoughts on how they compare to other brands of oil fired boilers including the usual recommendations like the Weil-Mclains out there.

    Thanks

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    What a load some of you guys in the business are putting up here to mislead people.
    1. We are all going to buy items on the internet.
    2. Most of you charge at least 80 t0 150 per hour portal to portal. (Know any School teachers making that?
    3. You add on charges to cya with parts that you replace under warranty. at full retail.
    4. Most of the HVAC people I have had in my house charge me a fee to understand the system
    5. It isn't brain surgery.... it is a boiler.
    6. You charge after the one year warranty or 3 year or whatever is up anyway. Most boilers (cast iron) have a fifty year life cycle.
    7. If the only way you can make a living in HVAC is by ripping off people, learn a computer trade instead.

    To the guy interested in the Biasis 10: Buy it, call a plumber and have him hook it up. Otherwise stick to "heat pumps" or forced air. Owning a boiler requires learning what to do when something goes wrong.

    I had a local HVAC guy who told me it would cost 18 grand to replace my boiler because it was going bad. I called a friend of mine who said we dont even need to replace the burners, just knock the rust off. And DO NOT freak with rust aroound the boiler... water plus cast iron = rust

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    Before you buy the boiler online, Call around and find someone who will hook it up. Not many professionals will touch online purchases.

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    A three pass cast iron boiler will give you the highest efficency and are the easiest to service and clean (which keeps the efficiency up). Since the flue and piping come off the rear, you usually need to stay off the rear wall around 2FT. since you probably need to get 2 90° elbows in to mate up with the chimney flue breech on the wall. Return/supply piping, P/T valve and aquastat go back there also. You need access room to service this stuff in the future.

    I'm not as impressed with Viessmann's costs when plently of other players producing 87% efficent boilers.

    You should also look at Burnham's new MPO and the Weil-Mclain Ultra oil (VERY HEAVY). Buderus's G115 series is usually very price competative.

    Biasi and Pennsotti boilers are very light weight and very low water volume which are fine for baseboard and rads, but I wouldn't recommend them on high water volume gravity systems.

    If you need top flue for the space savings look at Burnham's LE, Laars Maxx, and the Energy Kinetics System2000. Axeman-Anderson also has a non-prorated lifetime warranty on the heat exchanger. All of these are steel boilers.

    I hope you're getting an indirect water heater.


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    Thanks for the info. And yes I think we've settled on an indirect tank over the other options.

    Why don't professionals like to install online purchased boilers? Is there something different about these from the ones they get themselves?

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    contractors dont like to install stuff they dont sell because they dont get the mark up on the boiler.as far as hooking up your boiler no problem exsept you will not save any money.its like bringing your food to the cafe and leting them cook it

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    Most warranties are defined as being purchased and installed from a qualified service tech. You'll find someone to install for time and material but warranty claims will not be honored.

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    This is not a slam, but good luck finding someone reputable to install an internet sourced boiler. Who's going to warrantee the boiler and labor to change out a problem boiler? That being said, why bother with some euro boiler at all?, the equivalent USA made type of boiler is available as well (MPO, Ultra, many more). Remember, a successful boiler install (or anything for that matter) is how correctly it is installed in the first place AND maintained afterwards. Those high efficiency numbers are from perfect maintenance, should you install something no one wants to work on or is not VERY well versed on, you'll never see those efficiencies, and actually, you will not even get what a routine boiler can do (80-85%). I just don't see the benefit of some euro boiler that maybe might get another 2-5% better efficiency IF all things work out for it.....there is just too many things that won't work out for it to do so. Buy and have installed what the local companies put in, direct your savings where it actually matters most, like better windows and real energy saving options. 'Nuff said.


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    they run good with a beckett nx too

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