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    buying a house.....bad ac????

    Hey guys. Sorry if this is the wrong place or an improper introduction. I'm in a time constraint and trying to educate myself on some of this ac stuff. Sorry if I use improper terminology or piss anyone off.

    I am in the process of buying a house built in 1995 in TEXAS. It has 2 separate ac units. One unit is only cooling 13 degrees and the other about 16. I have had an independent HVAC guy come out and inspect. He says both coils need to be replaced and both are low on freon. He thinks one coil might have been replace at one point but can't find a date stamp anywhere. These are also the old r22 type. Furthermore one of the fan motors was installed wrong and drawing extremely high amperage. The air is comping out of sideways and not really vertically. i am assuming this is due to a too high of a blade pitch angle?

    Will this burn the motor out faster?

    Should I even bother replacing the coils, or look into a new r14 unit.

    Here is the catch.

    The owners say they had the AC serviced 2 to 3 months ago(I don't know what they did). My guy said the coils where clean. They bought a sellers Home warranty and are saying that the warranty will fix them. I think they knew they where there last leg and got the warranty to try to avoid having to fix them. Where do you think I stand as far as legitimate fair negotiations with the problem? Any insight to these "home warranties". We are waiting on the home warranty hvac guys inspection and our option period ends in 2 days. Eeek. I'm worried the warranty company is going to want to recharge the freon instead of fixing. Kind of like puttin a band-aide on a cut artery.

    Or maybe I am just being over paranoid.

    thanks again and sorry if this post isn't in the appropriate area.

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    Don't think this can get answered here, you should move it up to "AOP Residential" You'll get your answers there. The first question they will ask you is manafacturers name and age of the units, so if you put that in your post you'll save a step. Good luck.

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    Find out from your HVAC guy what it will cost to replace both units. Then use that as a bargaining chip. The sellers will either come down in price, or not.

    Home warranty, will do the lowest cost repair they can. And may sometimes only have it recharged.
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    from the sideways are coming out of condenser ill bet its a Carrier-Bryant-Payne
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    Quote Originally Posted by captainl View Post
    Hey guys. Sorry if this is the wrong place or an improper introduction. I'm in a time constraint and trying to educate myself on some of this ac stuff. Sorry if I use improper terminology or piss anyone off.Don't worry about it. We just want to help you .

    I am in the process of buying a house built in 1995 in TEXAS. It has 2 separate ac units. One unit is only cooling 13 degrees and the other about 16. I have had an independent HVAC guy come out and inspect. He says both coils need to be replaced and both are low on freon. He thinks one coil might have been replace at one point but can't find a date stamp anywhere. These are also the old r22 type. Furthermore one of the fan motors was installed wrong and drawing extremely high amperage. The air is comping out of sideways and not really vertically. i am assuming this is due to a too high of a blade pitch angle?Sounds like it has the wrong rotation or wrong blade.

    Will this burn the motor out faster?The actual Fan motor-no- The compressor could end up overheating and kick out on High Pressure cut out or the OverLoad and worst case, it could damage the compressor beyond repair.

    Should I even bother replacing the coils, or look into a new r14 unit.Look into a new complete systems. More efficiant units out there for you to choose from.

    Here is the catch.

    The owners say they had the AC serviced 2 to 3 months ago(I don't know what they did). My guy said the coils where clean. They bought a sellers Home warranty and are saying that the warranty will fix them. I think they knew they where there last leg and got the warranty to try to avoid having to fix them. Where do you think I stand as far as legitimate fair negotiations with the problem? Any insight to these "home warranties". We are waiting on the home warranty hvac guys inspection and our option period ends in 2 days. Eeek. I'm worried the warranty company is going to want to recharge the freon instead of fixing. Kind of like puttin a band-aide on a cut artery.

    Or maybe I am just being over paranoid.Not at all. Refer back to BeenThere's post.

    thanks again and sorry if this post isn't in the appropriate area.
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    Negotiate money off the house and don't bother with a home warranty. Considering replacing both systems in the near future. Home warranty will only do the cheapest thing legal, or deny your claim.

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    Thanks guys. Yes they are carrier AC units. Here is how it played out. The "warranty" guy came out and said there is a slow leak in one of the coil but that they wouldn't replace it because its still working. Go figure. They did say it would probably only last 6 months to a year. They didn't mention anything about the fan, unfortunately I didn't get to talk directly to him. They also said the freon was fine even though my ac guy (a friend of a friend that is licensed ) said they where both low when he checked them out earlier in the week.

    I am confused how one person determines the freon charge is low and the other says its fine.

    Anyhow, we negotiated with the seller and they are giving us $2500 credit toward closing for this. I figured it was fair and will help start my savings for a new system while I try to get a year or so out of whats in it.

    Thanks for the help and I'll enjoy reading over this forum.

    Has efficiency at a comparable price increased over the last 15 years??

    Thanks again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by captainl View Post
    Thanks guys. Yes they are carrier AC units. Here is how it played out. The "warranty" guy came out and said there is a slow leak in one of the coil but that they wouldn't replace it because its still working. Go figure. They did say it would probably only last 6 months to a year. They didn't mention anything about the fan, unfortunately I didn't get to talk directly to him. They also said the freon was fine even though my ac guy (a friend of a friend that is licensed ) said they where both low when he checked them out earlier in the week.

    I am confused how one person determines the freon charge is low and the other says its fine.

    Anyhow, we negotiated with the seller and they are giving us $2500 credit toward closing for this. I figured it was fair and will help start my savings for a new system while I try to get a year or so out of whats in it.

    Thanks for the help and I'll enjoy reading over this forum.
    Has efficiency at a comparable price increased over the last 15 years??

    Thanks again
    mike
    First off: 2500.00 will not cover the cost of one unit. You really, I mean really. Do not want my opinion on home warranties. Lets just say I have dealt with many over the years. And I will not deal with them again. The excuses they use for not covered ranges from: corrosion is not covered to rodent or insect damage is not covered. Makes you wonder what is covered. Read the fine print on the policy.

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    I know. I am planning on spending $or so each to re due them when the time comes. Does that sound reasonable.

    I hate warranty's but the seller is paying for it.
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    It's not a nice bicycle, it's an inexpensive car. And you are getting 2 because 16 years is life expectancy.
    Which makes more sense to you?
    CONSERVATION - turning your thermostat back and being uncomfortable. Maybe saving 5-10%
    ENERGY EFFICIENCY - leaving your thermostat where everyone is comfortable. Saving 30-70%

    DO THE NUMBERS! Step on a HOMESCALE.
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    Get a full estimate on replacement with a high SEER pair of units, and get that amount off the price PRIOR to going to settlement.

    If they don't move on that, don't YOU move in!

    In this market, YOU are the boss.

    And ignore anything a home warranty company says. They are useless. If the seller tries to use that as a bargaining position, tell them you will walk.
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    Quote Originally Posted by timebuilder View Post
    Get a full estimate on replacement with a high SEER pair of units, and get that amount off the price PRIOR to going to settlement.

    If they don't move on that, don't YOU move in!

    In this market, YOU are the boss.

    And ignore anything a home warranty company says. They are useless. If the seller tries to use that as a bargaining position, tell them you will walk.
    You don't know where he's moving in Texas. Unfortunately it's not always a buyers market here. We haven't been hit as hard as other parts of the country in the housing mess. People are moving here and unemployment is lower. Not perfect, but not as screwed up as other areas. The person selling the house may not be desperate to sell the house. Or they may be. I agree that I would negotiate a little more than the $2500. Of course it also depends on how bad the guy wants the house.
    I like DIY'ers. They pay better to fix.

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