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  1. #27
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    Hmm smelly air like burnt oranges

    No tests were done, The problem developed when the fan on the compressor stopped turning about 2 weeks ago. Could an electrical fault have done in the fan motor and now be causing the smell? Last night the smell came in on e heat. Could condensation from the compressor go into the coils?
    The air handler is in the garage, the compressor outside. How could dirty sock syndrome develop so fast? I have to get somebody out here, Hard to find a good tech, that's why I am using the forum, so I know something. Any help would be most welcome.

  2. #28
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    Quote Originally Posted by kcmk View Post
    MMD, the word from Trane is that they do not offer factory-coated coils. If Trane doesn't, then I would be surprised if anyone else does.

    Kevin
    We have a new Lennox heatpump and new ducts and noticed DSS in the defrost cycle within the first week. Service man came out the other day and sprayed coil with a disinfectant spray and told me if that didn't work they would give us a coated coil, they say the coated coil always takes care of the problem. The spray didn't work so we're going to call them for the coated coil. Don't know if it's a factory coat or after market but Lennox offers them as the solution non the less. I'll ask the tech if what kind of coating it is.

    Milkman's Daughter: on other DSS threads other people have commented that the coated coil works. Don't know when they will be replacing ours but I'll post back and let you know if it works for us.

  3. #29
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flummoxed View Post
    We have a new Lennox heatpump and new ducts and noticed DSS in the defrost cycle within the first week. Service man came out the other day and sprayed coil with a disinfectant spray and told me if that didn't work they would give us a coated coil, they say the coated coil always takes care of the problem. The spray didn't work so we're going to call them for the coated coil. Don't know if it's a factory coat or after market but Lennox offers them as the solution non the less. I'll ask the tech if what kind of coating it is.

    Milkman's Daughter: on other DSS threads other people have commented that the coated coil works. Don't know when they will be replacing ours but I'll post back and let you know if it works for us.
    Best way is to not provide an opportunity for the mildew and fungus to grow in the first place. Even if coated it's a water reservoir and will keep everything around it moist. It's not just the coil, the mold can grow in the drip pan, etc... Keep the whole thing clean with a furnace filter MERV 8-11 and keep it dry

  4. #30
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    Smelly Air update

    Hello to all! Updating my smelly air post. The tech came out today and yes, the coil is bad. It seems that when the compressor fan motor went out and the compressor was still running it overheated the coils and thus the smell. My unit is 9 years old, so we are thinking about replacing it. What is a great 13 seer. 3 ton unit to consider? We have electric heat pump in Florida. Thank you

  5. #31
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    I read this wholepost looking for the big payoff and nothing~~~~
    Whatever happened to the milkman?
    If you cant fix it right, try again.

  6. #32
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    Susan I'm sorry I can't by the fact that the outdoor condenser fan motor went out, thus causing extensive mold growth on your evap coil. Dirty sock syndrome is caused my mold growth in your HVAC system from aspergillus niger mold that is common in most outdoor environments. This mold growth gets ideal conditions during the a/c season. When you switch over to the heat pump mode in late fall in your area. The heat pump has to generate enough heat to kill the existing mold growth that has developed during the summer on the evap coil.
    I blame most of the problems with DSS syndrome and heat pumps on a design problem from the manufactures of the HVAC system from the factory. Gradually over the years we have seen the evap coils getting larger per ton in surface area and the evap temps creeping up too. I believe this is where the first problem is. The second problem is the reduced temp on the evap coil in the heat pump mode because of the higher SEER ratings and larger evap coils will not kill the existing mold spores on the coils.
    Its almost impossible to rid your self of the odors after you get the problem for an extended period of time because the mold spores will actually move into the plenum.
    You most likely need to change the evap coil just because you have DSS not because you have had a condenser motor out. After you get the new coil or system installed I would recommend that you increase your filtration to at least a Merv 12 or 13 which ever your contractor thinks it can handle. And add UVGI lighting on the return side of the evap coil. The mold and dirt does not collect on the supply side of the coil. Sanuvox or Dustfree's bio fighters are good lamps for this.

  7. #33
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    Tempstar Heat pumps electric 13 seer 3 ton

    Hello,
    Can anyone tell me the good, the bad, and the ugly about Tempstar heat pumps systems. We will probably upgrade our unit, we now have York, it is almost 10 years old. We are thinking about 13 seer, 3 ton electric. I am in the dark about what make can be the best.
    Thank you,
    Susan and Tweety from Florida

  8. #34
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    Coating on ac coil-or antimicrobial sprays

    Hi,
    Can anyone tell me what electric heat pump-ac air handlers use coatings on the coils or antimicrobial sprays?
    Thank you,
    Susan

  9. #35
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    Your condenser fan motor has nothing to do with your mold or smell in your evap coil area. Replace the evap coil, air plenum, & maybe even a few ducts at the plenum and start a new anti mold program as stated in earlier post

  10. #36
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    Do you know of any 13 seer 3 ton air handler without toxic insulation

    I am looking to purchase a new air handler without toxic formaldehyde insulation. Our new tempstar made my mother and I ill from the noxious fumes coming through our ducts. heat off for now!

  11. #37
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    As of 2007 Trane will replace coil with a teflon coated coil(Black fins). If you have the extended warranty it's all covered. If not you might have to pay labor.

  12. #38
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    The last study on DSS from Trane states that the smell is a reaction to VOC's that exist with in the house that attach to the coil and then off gas during heat cycle.
    It sure smells like mold growth to me though. And it seems to come only ever few years in my area of Florida. A good test is to cook the coil to 160 and then take a whiff, you will smell it if it's the coil. Cleaning coil with BBJ super foam & treating with BBJ C-1 Maintain does the trick on 90%. I have been advise before that you should not use a filter that is more than a MERV 8 rating? The customer usually only smells it from a few registers only and can also describe it as chemical smell or vomit if you can image that.
    On one of our last DSS calls with a 10 year old Bryant unit, we cooked the coil and did not smell anything. So the Tech keep checking and found that the refrigerator was giving off a terrible musty smell . Opened the service cover and found a lot of hair in the defrost tray that smelled really bad. So he cleaned the pan and we will wait to see if complaint continues.

  13. #39
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    Thought I would post my recent experience with DSS since this thread was a big help trying to figure it out. I apolagize in advance for the length of it however.
    We live on the south central Oregon coast. Relative humidity averages probably in the 85-95% range throughout the year. In the summer of 2006 we had a 3 ton, split system, Amana heat pump installed. This was new construction with all new components. In the spring of 2007, for reasons unrelated to DSS, we had the original and still fairly new 12 seer Amana condensor and evaporator coil/cabinet replaced with Amana 14 seer components. Last October we began using the new 14 seer components in heat pump mode for the first time and DSS started almost immediately during defrost cycle only. The musty smell would start about 1/2 way through defrost and pretty much stink up the whole house within the remaining 5 minutes of the cycle. Several minutes later the smell was mostly gone from the supply ducts, but not the house. It was pretty bad!
    The condensate pan was dry, the coils were clean, there were no signs of moisture or mold??? Why the stink? First call was to the installing HVAC contractor...AGAIN! By this time he's sounding pretty tired of dealing with me, however he does suggest a jumper between W-1 and W-2 inside my thermostat which turns on the heat strips when the condensor goes into defrost. This really helped a lot! Probably got rid of 75% or so of the stink making it at least bearable, but still not acceptable. Next I mention the coatings and treatments discussed here for the evaporator coil and the contractor states he has never heard of anything like this. This is also about when I begin noticing that my sinuses are becoming stopped up in the morning. My wife does not have this problem however and she's in the house all day???
    Next is about when I think I stumbled across this thread and (only half thinking it will even work) install two 36 watt UVC lamps in the coil cabinet on the return side. Within 48hours the stink is gone even with the thermostat jumper for the heat strips removed and my sinuses are again clear in the morning. My wife claims she can still smell a very small amount of DSS every once in a while though, I do not smell anything???
    Anyway, thats where it stands right now. I've got a kind of uneasy feeling about everything at this point though, like this isn't over yet or something. We'll see...
    Also, I have found that UVC lamp and fixture prices vary dramatically so shop around if you decide to go that route.
    Good luck.

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