[QUOTE=tedkidd;10953002]Very funny stuff ACBD, thanks for the e-mail.
Flattered to see my name in your poem. Really entertaining thread.
Bill, thanks for not putting MY face on there!
On the Manual J: I think placing so much blame on it completely misses the point. That's really not fair and a bit dangerous. How much capacity are these people really getting from their 4 ton systems attached to 2.5 tons of leaky duct, with duct going through 150f attics? Oh, and none of the windows are locked tight... It's blaming tires because the car is performing badly:
Guys that sell AC's are always telling the Nice Lady how much, or about how much she's gonna save on the power bill. That is why we have a SEER.
But, As we have discussed, without testing they don't know any of the values to use for the inputs to their load calcs, they use the values that give them the answers they like. Ok.
Now we stuff these loads into an operating cost program. What is wrong with that?
Loads to big
No accounting for thermal mass
No accounting for solar offset to heating
No accounting for absorption offset to heating
SEER is bogus and designed to lie
HSPF is totally bogus
Then, we assume escalation rates on fuels, Bogus!
Then, The nice lady changes her lifestyle and lives more comfortably.
So the initial lie, and blunt installment tool, is then compounded, by all the succeeding lies, we tell. The nice lady only saved 20% of what we told her.
(we told her $500 she actually saved $100)
But it's a year later till she figures that out. So O well.
If it wasn't for flat out lying to the customer our industry wouldn't sell anything.
Is this OK?
How are any of us getting past St. Peter and into heaven?
Help Me, I'm a sinner..