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    Quote Originally Posted by HVACFITTER562 View Post
    Klove,
    Some of us old Legacy York dinosaurs neither like, nor have bowed to the JCI way of customer service. I have all my old York accounts dating back as far as 25 years. I have had Carrier try to get me to jump ship, and Seimans wanted me to start a service business in this area for them, but at that point in my career I elected to stay put. As a matter of fact, my district manager has taken a lot of advice on how we did things differently at York than JCI. Some of it has been implemented and some has not. It's a struggle every day, and wears you down mentally, but if they want me gone, they will have to get rid of me........ and my customers! ...... Probably why I"m still here!
    I'm sure a lot of the issues are built around who you have in management in a given area and the environment that they foster. I'll leave the rest to your imagination.....

    No offense intended by the statement, but I do know those that stayed who have truly assimilated into the culture, and others that have been relegated to looking for lunch time and Friday afternoon to stay sane. They have nowhere near the drive or "want to" that they had prior to the change. I'ts just a job. I'm sure you still treat your customers the way you always did, as did I. Problem is that how you treat them can't override how your employer treats them.

    I gave it 3 years after jci took over. That was enough. They have no idea what they've lost in talent or morale and they never will, because they don't care to know. Money and power are their gods, and that's all they care about. He who has the gold makes the rules, and he who lives by the sword shall die by the sword. More power to ya' if you can tolerate it, brother.......

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    They have nowhere near the drive or "want to" that they had prior to the change. I'ts just a job. I'm sure you still treat your customers the way you always did, as did I. Problem is that how you treat them can't override how your employer treats them.
    Well said, and unfortunately true in many cases.

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    Did anybody ever find out/or know how jci was doing in the market, before I lost it and wrecked the question??? Caribbean Blue

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    Iam an old york legacy guy worked for york for 13 years did mostly large tonnage and industrial refrigeration. Here's the jist of. JCI does not care about talent they thought that us senior mech were making to much mony cause in there eyes it was all airconditioning. to prove that point they put inexperienced people to cordinate and dispatch techs they are called Service operator Agents. They were put in control of the grease monkeys that are totaly uneducated and could be supervised by anyone thats there attitude. so know a first year apprentice gets dispatched to a centrifugal call and cant fix it and they start yelling at the first year tech and say its just airconditioning why cant you fix it

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    Ya'll making me feel all warm & fuzzy bringing up "The Good Times" of York.I can assure one and all that if York was still around I would still be with them.
    Ain't "None" of us as smart as "All" of us..

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    From what I was told, York was over $900 million dollars in debt when JCI "stepped in", it wouldn't have taken long before virtually anyone could have bought them.

    Profitable they were not. Around here it was well known that if you wanted mediocre service at an astronomical price York was who you called...Their research and development was somewhat stalled and yet still had a strong product, but rest on your laurels too long in this trade and that pounding sensation wont be far behind...

    JCI came in and played "where's the walnut?" which temporarily made things better, but IMHO they are worse off now they were before JCI.

    I worked for one of the private companies JCI bought out for 13 years and stayed with JCI for as long as my morals would allow (about 4 years) and worked side by side with the York Legacy guys, they fought every little change to the point where nothing was getting accomplished and spent more time on "work around's" then they did doing their jobs.

    I will state that I think York was great to work for because there was no one at the wheel ensuring profitability. Thats what happens you have too many chiefs and no tribal council...

    Just my thoughts....Flame away.


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    Quote Originally Posted by GT Jets View Post
    From what I was told, York was over $900 million dollars in debt when JCI "stepped in", it wouldn't have taken long before virtually anyone could have bought them.

    Profitable they were not. Around here it was well known that if you wanted mediocre service at an astronomical price York was who you called...Their research and development was somewhat stalled and yet still had a strong product, but rest on your laurels too long in this trade and that pounding sensation wont be far behind...

    JCI came in and played "where's the walnut?" which temporarily made things better, but IMHO they are worse off now they were before JCI.

    I worked for one of the private companies JCI bought out for 13 years and stayed with JCI for as long as my morals would allow (about 4 years) and worked side by side with the York Legacy guys, they fought every little change to the point where nothing was getting accomplished and spent more time on "work around's" then they did doing their jobs.

    I will state that I think York was great to work for because there was no one at the wheel ensuring profitability. Thats what happens you have too many chiefs and no tribal council...

    Just my thoughts....Flame away.


    GT
    I truly doubt that anyone here would "Flame" you for posting a well thought out post such as yours. But I was under the impression that the amount owed was 525 mil. to Citi-Corp. Hell...I been wrong before.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RichardL View Post
    I truly doubt that anyone here would "Flame" you for posting a well thought out post such as yours. But I was under the impression that the amount owed was 525 mil. to Citi-Corp. Hell...I been wrong before.
    While I don't know the exact figures one way or the other, I do know that the York techs were whining that they were on credit hold at numerous vendors..There are more ways to owe money than just to banks....Now they just owe it to themselves....(A knock at being publicly traded and having "A JCI company" after the word York...)

    When you are a manufacturer, I guess it would be pretty easy to get upside down in a huge fashion with many large vendors.

    The $900 mil was a fiscal number that was shared out of frustration by a higher up that was having a bad day...Could very well have been falsified, but I doubt it...

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    I have never heard of such a large dept or financial problems. I worked for York in Europe and we made a pretty good business through the years. I suspect that buying Sabroe wasn`t the good deal that everybody in the management expected.
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