I agree with the last post, program tstat works well for me. I like to get up to a warm house and get tired of getting out of bed to turn down the tstat cause the house is too warm to sleep. I only use a setback of 1 or max 2 degrees on my heatpump but it still runs long enough in the morning to make a difference. I agree that for a majority of people unless you are on a real routine schedule you may as well use a standard tstat. That's the beauty of Vision Pro, just set it up in manual mode instead of programable. That is the way I set it up in the majority of my customers homes.