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    Nice easy straight change out.

    If you would, please criticize contsrtuctivly or not. I won't be offended, I would like to improve my installs.

    There were three of us. Me and another installer and Carlos.



    This is the Burnham. Guess what, it cracked..... Same usual place.



    Here we are about 1/2 way through the install. That's Carlos in the picture. He came from Fl. and moved up north. Hell of a pipe fitter. I grabbed this picture because I had to leave for a service call.



    Finsihed product.







    I didn't pipe the domestic, it was done when I got back from the service call. I know it's crooked. I didn't notice it until I looked at the pictures on the computer.

    After looking at the pictures I would have done a few things different.

    Pipe the supply header a little higher to get the Guard Dog straight and level.

    Remove the existing piping to a better area to make the install look more better.

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    Biggest thing I see wrong is that it has something on it that says Beckett We hate them things around here!!!!!

    Of course the Wallies advocate pumping away but we usually don't either since it normally takes a lot more repiping.

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    Of course the Wallies advocate pumping away but we usually don't either since it normally takes a lot more repiping. [/B][/QUOTE]


    Can you explain how moving the pump from the return to the supply means there will be more re-piping?

    especially since a lot of manufacturers ship them loose anyway.

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    For all the southerboys this is a boiler..lol

    It heats a good size home and supplies all the hot water you can use.

    Most times they last 20-30 years with minimal service.
    (annual tune up!)although the last one seemed to look newer!

    The install looks great
    Aire Serv of SW Connecticut- Gas heat, dual fuel and central a/c systems installed and serviced

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    Hey auto,

    I'm curious what kind of filter that is. Around here we see small general's and B-4's but I don't think I've seen a cartridge like that.


    Also, I'm not sure about NY but in CT we have to have 18" minimum clearance between the smoke pipe and combustable material, or have kao-wool installed on the floor joists.

    Even though there are many that are closer that have been this way for many many years they insist we write it up each time we see it.

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    Originally posted by ct_hvac_tech
    Hey auto,

    I'm curious what kind of filter that is. Around here we see small general's and B-4's but I don't think I've seen a cartridge like that.
    That is Suntec's new line of filters. Here is the URL if you want more info on them. http://www.suntecpumps.com/prv38/uni-saf.htm

    These are great. We recieved them at the shop in placement of some Garbers that we ordered. I like 'em. We're going to start ordering them.



    Also, I'm not sure about NY but in CT we have to have 18" minimum clearance between the smoke pipe and combustable material, or have kao-wool installed on the floor joists.

    Even though there are many that are closer that have been this way for many many years they insist we write it up each time we see it.
    Where it goes into the ceiling is the bottom of the metalbestos stack. They cut it real close to the wall. You're probably right about putting in some Kao-Wool. Will remember that for future installs, Thanks.


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    Originally posted by sirjames


    Of course the Wallies advocate pumping away but we usually don't either since it normally takes a lot more repiping.

    Can you explain how moving the pump from the return to the supply means there will be more re-piping?

    especially since a lot of manufacturers ship them loose anyway. [/B][/QUOTE]

    Flow-Control Valves and Zone Valves on the Return.
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    Originally posted by Freezeking2000
    For all the southerboys this is a boiler..lol

    It heats a good size home and supplies all the hot water you can use.

    Most times they last 20-30 years with minimal service.
    (annual tune up!)although the last one seemed to look newer!

    The install looks great
    The Burnham was only 11 Yrs. Old when she cracked.
    Happiness is the only good. The time to be happy is now. The place to be happy is here. The way to be happy is to make others so.
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    Originally posted by atufano
    Originally posted by sirjames


    Of course the Wallies advocate pumping away but we usually don't either since it normally takes a lot more repiping.

    Can you explain how moving the pump from the return to the supply means there will be more re-piping?

    especially since a lot of manufacturers ship them loose anyway.
    Flow-Control Valves and Zone Valves on the Return. [/B][/QUOTE]

    Not sure what you mean

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    Originally posted by sirjames
    Originally posted by atufano
    Originally posted by sirjames


    Of course the Wallies advocate pumping away but we usually don't either since it normally takes a lot more repiping.

    Can you explain how moving the pump from the return to the supply means there will be more re-piping?

    especially since a lot of manufacturers ship them loose anyway.
    Flow-Control Valves and Zone Valves on the Return.
    Not sure what you mean [/B][/QUOTE]

    Usually, if the ZV's are ok, and the piping is alright, we cut out the boiler and hook up to the existing headers. If we were to pipe it the other way, you have to pipe in a flow control for each zone, and a zv for each zone. So you then have a header of flow controls and zone valves.
    Happiness is the only good. The time to be happy is now. The place to be happy is here. The way to be happy is to make others so.
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    Originally posted by atufano
    Originally posted by sirjames
    Originally posted by atufano
    Originally posted by sirjames


    Of course the Wallies advocate pumping away but we usually don't either since it normally takes a lot more repiping.

    Can you explain how moving the pump from the return to the supply means there will be more re-piping?

    especially since a lot of manufacturers ship them loose anyway.
    Flow-Control Valves and Zone Valves on the Return.
    Not sure what you mean
    Usually, if the ZV's are ok, and the piping is alright, we cut out the boiler and hook up to the existing headers. If we were to pipe it the other way, you have to pipe in a flow control for each zone, and a zv for each zone. So you then have a header of flow controls and zone valves. [/B][/QUOTE]I guess I don't understand why you would have to add pumps & valves?It looks like from the photos that the entire header could have been raised with little effort.
    Take your time & do it right!

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    Originally posted by Freezeking2000

    and supplies all the hot water you can use.
    And hot water is 180 deg F or more

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    [QUOTE]Originally posted by atufano
    [B][QUOTE]Originally posted by sirjames
    [B]
    Originally posted by atufano
    Originally posted by sirjames




    Not sure what you mean
    Usually, if the ZV's are ok, and the piping is alright, we cut out the boiler and hook up to the existing headers. If we were to pipe it the other way, you have to pipe in a flow control for each zone, and a zv for each zone. So you then have a header of flow controls and zone valves.
    Ummm, no, if you use zone valves you don`t need to install flow checks,all your doing is moving the location of the pump.

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