EPA question

[Music Seeker]

Call the freon police..............

Are they anything like the vegan police?

[Music Seeker]

I tell you what, I figured out how I want to lose my EPA license...take about 4-150lb bottles of R-22 into Congress, and just let em loose...playing games with poor people to make themselves look good to their rich corporate donors...

There's a reason I don't frequent the ARP board........................I get too pi**ed....

[hotrodrob]

Venting refrigerant is bad. but someone is also forgetting that 410a is a near-azeotropic blend of refrigerants and has to be charged via liquid to keep the blend correct. now if you vent or properly recover the gas side of 410a your blend is also incorrect.

[King Ziptie]

Not if you recover the entire charge.

[timebuilder]

I tell you what, I figured out how I want to lose my EPA license...take about 4-150lb bottles of R-22 into Congress, and just let em loose...playing games with poor people to make themselves look good to their rich corporate donors...

There's a reason I don't frequent the ARP board........................I get too pi**ed....

You mean like making the poor people addicted to government money so the continue to return the same representatives to congress year after year, in an unsustainable cost thats bad for the nation and even worse for the hapless recipients?

I'm sure that's what you meant to say.

[timebuilder]

Not if you recover the entire charge.

True. The problem with a blend and a leak situation is the question, "what portion of the blend has leaked out?" There is no way to tell, and no way to replenish the system in proportion, other than recovering the charge into a recycling tank and giving the system a fresh charge as a liquid once the leak is repaired.

[King Ziptie]

Sounds complicated but it really isn't. I was told that 410a is so close to azeo that very small leaks can be charged up without scrapping the original. Get a high loss and I wouldn't risk it. I would replace the whole thing. Well, not complicated, but expensive!

[Music Seeker]

You mean like making the poor people addicted to government money so the continue to return the same representatives to congress year after year, in an unsustainable cost thats bad for the nation and even worse for the hapless recipients?

I'm sure that's what you meant to say.

No, the ones who are putting more taxes on the working poor and causing more economic damage than cutting the tax breaks for the rich will ever be.

[thes]

I tell you what, I figured out how I want to lose my EPA license...take about 4-150lb bottles of R-22 into Congress, and just let em loose...playing games with poor people to make themselves look good to their rich corporate donors...

There's a reason I don't frequent the ARP board........................I get too pi**ed....

hey music in this day and age, even if i was joking i wouldn't put that in writing, just saying, !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[beenthere]

True. The problem with a blend and a leak situation is the question, "what portion of the blend has leaked out?" There is no way to tell, and no way to replenish the system in proportion, other than recovering the charge into a recycling tank and giving the system a fresh charge as a liquid once the leak is repaired.

There is n o problem topping off r40A. I believe it was carrier that did test. Down to 50% of the charge, topped it off, and n o change in operation.

[timebuilder]

There is n o problem topping off r40A. I believe it was carrier that did test. Down to 50% of the charge, topped it off, and n o change in operation.

So, someone is saying "it's okay" when in reality, they have nothing to do with any consequences when someone takes their word for it.

When they allowed 50% of the charge to be lost, did they assess which percentage of component gasses were left in the system?

[timebuilder]

No, the ones who are putting more taxes on the working poor and causing more economic damage than cutting the tax breaks for the rich will ever be.

Who are the working poor?

The ones who pay no tax at all?

But get healthcare?

And food stamps?

And title 8 housing?

Here is something to chew on:

everyone must become a taxpayer. Otherwise, we have a dependent underclass that becomes permanent.

[beenthere]

So, someone is saying "it's okay" when in reality, they have nothing to do with any consequences when someone takes their word for it.

When they allowed 50% of the charge to be lost, did they assess which percentage of component gasses were left in the system?

Write to Honeywell/Signal, and carrier, and ask them how they tested the system. They are the developers of it.

I know you don't like R410A. But you really need to attend some good training on it.

And there were reports of the fractionation amounts. Do I remember them, no.

But you can research it and see if you like the fractionation rates.

I think you do too much work for the B company. And don't get to work on new systems enough.