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    AEV vs Cap Tube in POE systems and Has anyone Used multiple AEV's in Larger HVAC unit

    With the hygroscopic properties of the POE oils in use today we have found that replacing the cap tube with an AEV (that is Automatic Expansion Valve - NOT - a Thermostatic Expansion Valve) valve eliminates 90% of the call backs due to plugged cap tubes. You need to run a 1/4" line from the new drier- usually a 032s or 052s instead of the original bullet drier- to the evaporator and weld in the AEV as close as you can to the evaporator inlet. We have yet to find a sweat in AEV- so you will need to find an adapter to thread into the valve- and sweat your tubing to. Add an ounce extra of refrigerant and once the box has cooled, set your suction pressure so that you have the same suction pressure/temperature relationship. Check for cooling to the compressor. The AEV is a fixed metering device just the same as a cap tube- but does allow you the option of setting the proper suction pressure. We have been doing this for at least 6 or 7 years and have stopped our call backs and compressor failures - on the smaller refrigeration systems.

    Note- I am not talking about a Thermostatic Expansion Valve (with the bulb) those have to be used on systems with a receiver and the compressor has to be able to start against a load( the TXV shuts off when the compressor stops). The AEV valves have been used for decades in Ice makers and Ice Cream machines and proabably would be used by True, Delfield and the others, except for the huge difference in cost. As you all know the problem is, once you open a POE system the oil turns "waxy" and bits are floating all around- the small drier becomes saturated-and then the cap tube plugs. This is a HUGE problem in freezers especially.

    My question is- has any tried using multiple AEV's on a HVAC unit that has the multi port metering device feeding cap tubes to the evaporator? Seems to me that as long as you monitored your super heat and checked each evaporator circuit for similar temps the idea would work. Of course as is with any cap tube system- the freon charge is critical. The AEV does not open and close like a TXV so it does not need a receiver. We put on the larger drier due to the moisture and increase the charge due to the larger liquid line and drier. Anyone have pros or cons?

    Marty

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    Yes, Trane makes a kit for their voyager to convert from fixed orifice tubes to a txv.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marty_Boise View Post
    My question is- has any tried using multiple AEV's on a HVAC unit that has the multi port metering device feeding cap tubes to the evaporator?

    Anyone have pros or cons?

    Marty
    I have seen systems designed with Multiple AEV's, but they all had Evaps that had 2 independant circuits, so that the AEV's recieved feedback from their own suction line. It would seem difficult to properly sequence 2 aevs is a way that they would not possibly fight with each other - each responding to the actions of the other - if they were reacting to the readings of a common suction line.
    Hmmmm....smells like numbatwo to me.

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    hey marty i just converted a cap tube on a refrigerator over to an aev and set the suction pressure to 20# which is equivalent to -2.9f for 134a but to me it seems low wouldnt i want to have about a 20f evaporator to maintain a 30-35f box. The thing i noticed though was if i tried to set it for 33# which is a 20f coil the amperage would go too high. I called true to find out what my temperature drop across my coil should be but they said because it was cap tube that it varied and couldnt give me an answer. I charged it to name plate and added an ounce but i just want to be sure i am charged properly and that my aev is set right, currently i have a 105f liquid line and good suction cooling coming back.Thanks You
    Artie

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ahogan View Post
    hey marty i just converted a cap tube on a refrigerator over to an aev and set the suction pressure to 20# which is equivalent to -2.9f for 134a
    your reading the wrong scale. 20PSI is 22 degrees. most true coolers run around 15 PSI. At 20 PSI your constant cut in stat might never cut out. I would set it to 15 PSI which is 15 degrees

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    You asking about installing an AEV to a distributor that feeds one evap?

    I don't see why that would be any different than using an AEV on a single feed evap.

    All the same procedures and Charge by SH/SC.

    A simple diagnostic tip with distributors, is you can turn off your evap fan and you should see each distributor tube freeze up, letting you know you have flow through each tube. If the box temp is high and humid, through normal operation you may see each tube sweat.

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