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    Well it's time to replace the old system with a new high effecincy electric system. I have had several estimates so far for replacing my 20 year old 2 1/2 ton York Heat Pump system. Of the estimates I have received, I am seriosly considering the Trane XL14i Heat Pump(4TWX40 - R410a model) matched with Trane Variable Speed Air Handler(4TEE3F), 15kw backup heat, Trane 5" media filter and 5/2 programmable TS.

    After reading alot of posts here about Amana equiptment I have contacted a highly recommended local Amana dealer for an estimate as well. My question is what products from the Amana line would be comparable with the above Trane equiptment as far as seer and quality. I have checked out Amanas website but it seems to be a little confusing. I definitly want to install a VS Air Handler and would perfer 13-15 seer R410a matching Heat Pump and a good media filter.

    Also would greatly appreciate any suggestions or comments about which companies (Amana or Trane) equiptment you would reccomend and why? Thank You.

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    Originally posted by ifucdseeme
    2 1/2 ton .... Trane XL14i Heat Pump(4TWX40 - R410a model) matched with Trane Variable Speed Air Handler(4TEE3F), 15kw backup heat, Trane 5" media filter and 5/2 programmable TS.

    Also would greatly appreciate any suggestions or comments about which companies (Amana or Trane) equiptment you would reccomend and why? Thank You.
    Great System Selection for PA !

    http://www.trane.com/Residential/Pro...mps/XL16i.aspx

    Compare this 2-stage single compressor unit and 10 years Parts & Labor Warranty with XL14i or others.

    Although the XL 16i does not have a 2.5 Ton,
    an upgrade to XL16i to handle off-peak loading more efficiently. Installation costs may not be that much more and operating cost may be 15% less. The 3-ton unit would obviously run on Low speed for a large percentage of the time.

    BIGGER is Better for PA Winter
    to slightly decrease balance point
    (i.e. use of Aux Heat).

    2-stage 3-Ton will handle summer cooling load as well or better than 1-stage 2.5-Ton.

    [Edited by dan sw fl on 10-15-2005 at 05:57 AM]
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    I've use American Standard(Trane) for 10 yrs,as a dealer. And have found them to be a great partner.They will do anything to make the consumer happy. I'm a "Customer Care Dealer" and I have able to Comp replacement parts to a home owner who has had a breakdown of equipment which was premature. On the other hand i worked with Amana and they did not stand up to there 10 yr warrenties. Now I can use any equipment I want and I have chose American Standard/Trane. BY the way if either dealer did not do a heat load,look for one who does. Your savings will only appear if your system is sized right. Bigger IS NOT BETTER.Hug your kids.

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    Either system will do you just fine. Remember that going to 2 stage compressor will skyrocket the initial cost with little juice savings. There will be some comfort advantages but to me, the big premium would be better spent on duct sealing or repairs, insulation, something with a better payback.

    We put in the A-S version of the XLi this week. Cover on the scroll and swept wing blade made it about the quietest A-S/Trane unit I've heard. But with slow speed fan and Copeland scroll in the Amana, it will be too. The 4TEE is a nice well built air handler. If the Amana VS is like the standard one, construction isn't as heavy.

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    Nice $ for Superior Equipment

    Originally posted by BaldLoonie
    Either system will do you just fine. Remember that going to 2 stage compressor will skyrocket the initial cost with little juice savings.
    Why would one characterize
    "an extra 10%" of the total replacement cost
    as skyrocketing the initial cost?
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    You must be getting one hell of a price on the 16 SEER. Around here, it is a huge jump in price to gain 2 SEER points and no HSPF advantage. The wholesale cost of the 16 is nearly double that of the 14.

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    A 3 ton XL16i heat pump costs us 19% more than a 3 ton XL14i heat pump. The XL19i is 38% more than the XL14i.
    The slightly better rebates for the XL16i and 19i bring the difference down a little more.
    We are a very low volume dealer, so we don't get special pricing.
    If more government is the answer, then it's a really stupid question.

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    Currently, Amana has the RSC 12 SEER models of R410a that can achieve up to 13.5 SEER with variable speed blower and TXV. The other Amana R410a system is the RTG, which is a two stage 16 SEER system.

    Variable speed blowers are available in either the AEPT*** air hanlder that is a one piece blower/coil unit, or in the MBE modular blower that can be matched to the needed coil.

    Both Amana systems use Copeland Scroll compressors. There will be 14 SEER system available for 2006.
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    AMANA VS TRANE

    THe GOODMAN line (AMANA) has changed a great deal. The warranty on these units 13 seer and above cannot be matched, that is I have not seen it yet.. 10 years on parts and lifetime on the compressor.... I have been installing them for the past year now and have had little complaints... Trane of course is Trane and they are great units... the 410a I stay away from fyi freon will be phased out in 2020 and even after that you will still have R22 around.... Alot of companies do not use r410a because they dont have the faith in it yet and alot of techs are not trained or certified for it yet. For the money the Goodman is a pretty good deal and I do recommend it, however, you will find other people that dont. I install everything from tempstar to Trane and also recommend the PAYNE unit as well from Carrier... They have a good product as well... So MY personal experience is TRANE, GOODMAN and PAYNE...
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    Originally posted by RoBoTeq
    Currently, Amana has the RSC 12 SEER models of R410a that can achieve up to 13.5 SEER with variable speed blower and TXV. The other Amana R410a system is the RTG, which is a two stage 16 SEER system.
    Thanks RoBoTeq,

    for your input on Amana, you seemed to be the board athority on their equiptment. After reading your post I went out to Amanas website again and was able to find the 16 SEER RTG Series Heat Pumps but not the RSC Series. I saw that there was a 12 SEER RTC Ultron that uses 410a is that the series you were refering to? Also I defintly plan on using a VS blower but was not sure what you meant by TXV? Can you elaberate on what that would be. Thanks again for your help.

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    Sorry, the RSC is the cooling only unit, the RTC is the heat pump.

    A TXV (Thermal eXpansion Valve) is a type of metering device that, among other things, raises the efficiency of the refrigerant regulation.

    The alternative to a TXV is a "one size fits all temperatures" fixed metering device such as a piston of flowrater.
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    Did you look at Carrier????
    It's NOT the BRAND,it's the company that installs it!!!!!

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    Originally posted by heatpumpguru
    Did you look at Carrier????
    Evidently not, or did not like what they saw. Either way, this thread is not about Carrier, so why bring it into the mix?
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