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  1. #14
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    To respond to the load calc's, yes they have been done in past and they say 5 tons should work. If you want the whole story on my home, search site under CARESTX and read my old string "New Zoned System Trouble"

    As for the new system quotes, I assume each of the groups I have had give me quotes has done their own load calculations and so far each has come back in between 7.5 and 8.5 tons.. Grant it, I am filling them in on the history of the old system as noted in Steve Wiggens post.

    I will add a comment to the old string just to throw it back up on the board and in play.

    As for the who am I using for bids, I would feel like I was promoting one over the other at it would be premature at this time to do so but will post a # if you would like to call me off site.

    Can say that I have used the ACCA web site to start and cross reference "for what it's worth" the BBB site.

    As this is my second time around and found this sight and it's members so usefull last time (see post) I place alot of trust in the comments received.

    Please keep them coming...

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    Talking

    Thanks for responding. Sorry should have thought about posting the names. Could you please sent it to my email qt257x@aol.com. Thanks, jmb

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    The Trane XL19i systems are great systems. We have installed many of them in the Mid Cities area, and have no problems with them.

    Trane dealer support and distributor support is 2nd to none in this area, and the outdoor units are all manufactured in Tyler, corporate headquarters are in Carrolton.

    I'm not familiar with the Rheem 2 stage systems, but Rheem/Ruud equipment is generally among the best out there.

    While I'm partial to Trane, it really does come down to who installs it, so go with the company you feal the most comforterable with the competence of.
    If more government is the answer, then it's a really stupid question.

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    Rheem hands down
    No Heat No Cool You need Action Fast

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    Ok, Its fair to say anytime a high seer ac unit is matched with a 90+ of any sort, the efficiency numbers drop.

    I do think you are better off with the RGGD. Clearly this owner is looking for pure comfort and top end stuff. The problem he has if looking for a counterflow unit is the matchups. The RCQC coil cannot be installed in a counterflow position. He would need to have a RCHL-36 coil matched with the RASL condensing unit. In this case he would expect to get SEER levels in the high 15s to 16. If on the other hand he is installing upflow, he would hit somewhere in the mid 17s. Unfortunately the mod is not yet availble in horizontal. If upflow or downflow, What he would get is a lifetime replacement warranty on the furnace. (Yes, if the heat exchanger ever fails he gets a new furnace). The outdoor unit would have a 5 year replacement warranty with a 10 year parts and compressor. Not to mention 13 stages of heat and if wired correctly, 4 stages of cooling. (most likly 2 stages otherwise). I have yet to see anything else like this anywhere.

    Now for the other unit, the 16 SEER RARL his efficiencies would be still in the mid to high 15's and lower 16's with the mod. Personally in Texas, that seems like overkill so I would use the 80+ 2 stage VS for heat and take advantage of up to a point gain in SEER up to the 17's. And still have a cadillac.

    I dont have the Trane info handy, maybe someone can post his specs for him.

  6. #19
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    Best post yet, thank you...

    Let me add, this are attic mounted units, most likely Horz. mounted but could go Vert.??? if needed?

    Sounds like Rheem has a lot of fans out there............

    We have a least 4 months some times 5 of heating. Problem in TX is you don't have much in the middle. Humidty (hot or cold) makes you turn one or the other on every season.

    Blink and you miss Fall or Spring!

    Not sold on 90% units but it just seems to make sense given the current energy market..trade off seems min.

    Got a call into Rheem dealer to talk thru...both dealers have been extremly helpfull and both seem to stand behind their product line..

  7. #20
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    Speaking as an owner of the Trane XL19i with VS airhandler, I went with Trane over Carrier becuase the Trane has a 2 stage dual compressor design, the Carrier is a dual stage single compressor design. The next criteria was the Trane condensor coils outlast the copper clad in aluminum coils here on the sea coast. Trane also has a 10 year warranty on all parts when installed as a system. Most other brands only have 10 yrs on the compressor with the remainder being 5 years.
    As far as dehumidification, being here in SE Fla, the Trane does an exceptional job. I sound like a broken record, but as compared to my previous unit, I can keep the thermo set at 79 and since the humidity is so low in the house most people feel I have the thermo set much lower. I have had this system a little over 2 years and cannot say enough about it. It has saved me $$ even with the utility rate hikes.
    As far as coil cleaning, it is not an issue the covers comes off real easy, and the Trane Spine Fin coil does not get half as dirty as my old copper clad in aluminum one did. My old system (Rheem) was a pain in the neck to get at the coils, you had to be real careful not to break the fan wires.
    Just saw the new Lennox system at a home show, they are using the same coil lovered cover as Trane has.

    I cannot speak to the Trane furnaces but the AC unit with VS airhandler and EAC, has been nothing but pure comfort!
    I highly recommend it.
    No I am not affliated with any AC company or contractor!
    My only advice is make sure the contractor is competant enough to actually make sure your ductwork, and sizing is correct!

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    Speaking as an owner of the Trane XL19i with VS airhandler, I went with Trane over Carrier becuase the Trane has a 2 stage dual compressor design, the Carrier is a dual stage single compressor design. The next criteria was the Trane condensor coils outlast the copper clad in aluminum coils here on the sea coast. Read a study by a university and US Navy, the Trane spine fin coils that Trane uses provided more effeciency for a lot longer time frame than the copper coils clad in aluminum. The navy verified the life of the coil for corrosion against sea water and sea air.
    Trane also has a 10 year warranty on all parts when installed as a system. Most other brands only have 10 yrs on the compressor with the remainder being 5 years.
    As far as dehumidification, being here in SE Fla, the Trane does an exceptional job. I sound like a broken record, but as compared to my previous unit, I can keep the thermo set at 79 and since the humidity is so low in the house most people feel I have the thermo set much lower. I have had this system a little over 2 years and cannot say enough about it. It has saved me $$ even with the utility rate hikes.
    As far as coil cleaning, it is not an issue the covers comes off real easy, and the Trane Spine Fin coil does not get half as dirty as my old copper clad in aluminum one did. My old system (Rheem) was a pain in the neck to get at the coils, you had to be real careful not to break the fan wires.
    Just saw the new Lennox system at a home show, they are using the same coil lovered cover as Trane has.

    I cannot speak to the Trane furnaces but the AC unit with VS airhandler and EAC, has been nothing but pure comfort!
    I highly recommend it.
    My only advice is make sure the contractor is competant enough to actually make sure your ductwork, and sizing is correct!

  9. #22
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    I like Doc's suggestion of the 80+ two stage VS unit. I'd have a heat pump installed verses a straight AC because it will allow you to take advantage of the cheapest utility at the time. This season gas looks to be expensive so the heat pump will be your better option. Gas heat is more comfortable at lower outdoor temps so you always have the option of switching over. Since the gas heat will only be used in unusual situations for Texas and the heat exchanger is less restrictive on an 80+, I'd use the 80+ and Heat pump combo.
    P.S. I'm also a Rheem fan. Simple and quiet.

  10. #23
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    Tom, will you be selling your Amana condensing furnace & 2 stage 16 SEER condensing 5 ton outdoor unit?
    "And remember my sentimental friend......that a heart is not judged by how much you love, but by how much you are loved by others" - Wizard of Oz.

  11. #24
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    This is not as easy as I thought, the more I learn the harder the deceison becomes.

    OK, the 90% units have some draw backs, mainly effic. and price (a wash given Trane rebates)

    Rheem has a lot of fans but it seems to center around their heating ability and furances...????

    With AC being the big money drainer in Dallas the consenses so far seems to be to go 80+ with either system and max Seer % for the long term...

    Trying to make my mind up this week as to take advantage of being between seasons so if anyone as any addtional input please share!

  12. #25
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    I would consider the heatpump addition. It's normal ac in cooling that reverses in the winter. Costs al little more but gives you options

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