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    I live in the city of Philadlephia, Pa. Years ago The people of Philly used to say, there is one on every corner. Back then they were referring to bars.

    Now, I am saying that there is one on Every Corner. But I am not talking about bars. I'm talking about HVAC contractors.

    Within a miles radious of my home there must be an hvac contractor on every corner or block. On one block there are three hvac contractors where I live. 90% of the small contractors work out of their home.

    Where I live it is so saturated with hvac contractors that I don't know how some of these guys make a living. There is so much compition it's not funny. Yes, I know ther are lot of heaters and air conditioners, but there are too many contractors. In fact a couple tech school stopped teaching HVAC clases. I guess there are so many that the newer students can't get jobs.

    I started a business last year and it is very, very hard to make a living anymore. Does anyone else see this problem.


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    I see it, but not as a problem.

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    Would you say in your area that equipment was more available to purchase (by anyone) now or back then?
    "And remember my sentimental friend......that a heart is not judged by how much you love, but by how much you are loved by others" - Wizard of Oz.

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    Try Houston Texas. I think just about everyone knows someone in the A/C business.
    Saddle Up!

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    There are 3 HVAC shops in my same complex besides me. Probably close to a dozen (that I know of) in 2 blocks on my street.
    If you are lowballing bids- these are the guys you are competing with. If you offer quality service & installs- the cream rises to the top.
    Don't work in the bottom of the barrel.

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    Originally posted by precision hvac
    If you offer quality service & installs- the cream rises to the top.
    It won't ever happen when the barrell is full of holes.
    "And remember my sentimental friend......that a heart is not judged by how much you love, but by how much you are loved by others" - Wizard of Oz.

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    Originally posted by Steve Wiggins
    Originally posted by precision hvac
    If you offer quality service & installs- the cream rises to the top.
    It won't ever happen when the barrell is full of holes.
    What holes are you reffering to?

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    Originally posted by Steve Wiggins
    Originally posted by precision hvac
    If you offer quality service & installs- the cream rises to the top.
    It won't ever happen when the barrell is full of holes.
    It does if you know how to plug the holes.

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    The holes are the lack of enforcement in the rules. Plugging the holes is the answer but most would rather keep filling the barrell.
    "And remember my sentimental friend......that a heart is not judged by how much you love, but by how much you are loved by others" - Wizard of Oz.

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    Good analagy.
    Behind the ostensible government sits enthroned an invisible government owing no allegiance and acknowledging no responsibility to the people.

    Theodore Roosevelt

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    Originally posted by Steve Wiggins
    The holes are the lack of enforcement in the rules. Plugging the holes is the answer but most would rather keep filling the barrell.
    Dang, that's depressing. The whole world is too darn competitive. Did you all here about Delphi declaring bankruptcy? There are saying there is a 30% chance of GM being next!!!

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    Originally posted by Steve Wiggins
    The holes are the lack of enforcement in the rules. Plugging the holes is the answer but most would rather keep filling the barrell.
    Oh give me a break Steve! We got the same story where I live. You can see them in the supply house and in the newspapers.

    I used to to get stuff from customer when I advertised and tried to compete with these guys thinking I had to match their prices.

    I said fug it, quit the paper and RAISED my prices drastically from what theey were.

    Found out my prices were where they SHOULD be when I did increase them. Before they just too low.

    Now I get the better customers by word of mouth.

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    42yr

    I've worked in phila for 37+ yr's if you are talking about the resi replacement market,or the lite commercial replacement market when was the last time you pulled a permit for a changeout.

    Ah never???? there's your answer!

    Do you have a Warm Air license ??. Probably not

    If you do I know that 90+ % of your competitors don't.

    That is the problem in the HVAC industry in PHILA today, but the city seems to be addressing these issues.

    [Edited by pjs on 10-11-2005 at 08:36 PM]

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