Lifetime of 80% vs 90+% furnace

[2hot2coolme]

You tell em damit!!

[MadeinUSA]

Boy. Sure looks like class is going to be long tonight. I wish they would pay us teachers more. We certainly deserve it, being we have to keep repeating ourselves to the clowns in the classroom.

[MadeinUSA]

Jultzya:

Go back and read my last sentence when I answered your post.

What meaning do you get from it?

I am also coming up on 2000 posts. I might have to stop and write a big article or something of importance.

Should I address the nation with a State of the Union speech?

[2hot2coolme]

I really don't think you have the firepower against Jultzya.

I'm feeling a burial on this one.

Especially when you call him out!!

[2hot2coolme]

And NO I'm not suckin up.....He knows his shit!!! Period!!

[Jultzya]

Originally posted by madeinusa
Sure looks like class is going to be long tonight. I wish they would pay us teachers more. We certainly deserve it, being we have to keep repeating ourselves to the clowns in the classroom.

Ok, below is the last sentence.

Originally posted by madeinusa
You do not get actual 95% or 80% output at the ducts into the home or business, and that is actual true BTU's into the envelope.

So if the 80-95% outout is not true Btus into the envolope, WHERE is it going?

Cause it sure as hell isn't going out the chimney!

If you are teaching, PLEASE retire!

[Jultzya]

Originally posted by madeinusa
Jultzya:

Go back and read my last sentence when I answered your post.

What meaning do you get from it?

The meaning that you need to learn more?

[MadeinUSA]

Ok, I will have to follow up tomorrow. I need to write a speech for my 2000th post.

So until tomorrow, you guys figure out if you seriously want to lose another debate with me. Remember, I am undefeated here.

Edit: You are starting to use your mind grasshopper with the "it aint going out the chimney thinking". catch you guys tomorrow.


[Edited by madeinusa on 10-08-2005 at 03:32 AM]

[Jultzya]

Originally posted by madeinusa
Ok, I will have to follow up tomorrow. I need to write a speech for my 2000th post.

So until tomorrow, you guys figure out if you seriously want to lose another debate with me. Remember, I am undefeated here.

Well, I don't EVER remember having a debate with you. But I'm willing to bet money that your winning streak is OVER!

Why are you tucking tail and running with the 2000 post Bullshit?

[2hot2coolme]

Don't lose any sleep while you're thinkin....

[Jultzya]

Originally posted by madeinusa
Edit: You are starting to use your mind grasshopper with the "it aint going out the chimney thinking". catch you guys tomorrow.

So what, you now want me to believe its going down the drain?

[Jultzya]

Originally posted by 2hot2coolme
I really don't think you have the firepower against Jultzya.

I'm feeling a burial on this one.

Especially when you call him out!!

Originally posted by 2hot2coolme
And NO I'm not suckin up.....He knows his shit!!! Period!!

Brown nosier!

Thanks for the compliments.

[2hot2coolme]

Originally posted by jultzya

Originally posted by 2hot2coolme
I really don't think you have the firepower against Jultzya.

I'm feeling a burial on this one.

Especially when you call him out!!

Originally posted by 2hot2coolme
And NO I'm not suckin up.....He knows his shit!!! Period!!

Brown nosier!

Thanks for the compliments.

Hey, I have to admit, I did learn.........maybe.........1.........or 2.......possible things from your monkey ass

[Irascible]

The legend in his own mind is attempting to invalidate energy efficiency comparisons by mixing in duct losses and the unsubstantiated assertions of the NCI lone ranger. Duct losses ARE a factor. But they don't invalidate AFUE ratings and comparisons thereof. And the lone ranger may or may not be right in some of his assertions. But I have yet to see anyone validate those assertions outside of his own little enclave.

[Jultzya]

Originally posted by 2hot2coolme
Hey, I have to admit, I did learn.........maybe.........1.........or 2.......possible things from your monkey ass

ROTFLMAO...

Can you please tell me what they were?

If not, they must not have been important and I wouldn't want it happening again!

[2hot2coolme]

It had somthin to do with 2stage stats & furnaces....can't put my finger on it but....I will be selling 2 stage stats with 2 stage furnaces

[Jultzya]

Good boy!

I bet the OP is going to shit a brick if he has e-mail notification!

[davidr]

Originally posted by Irascible
But I have yet to see anyone validate those assertions outside of his own little enclave.

This is because those of us in our little circle seem to be the only ones measuring actual BTU output into the building envelope.

The manufacturers state that under certain conditions their equipment will produce a certain amount of BTU's.

The problem lies in the fact that field conditions are just a little less desirable than laboratory conditions.

Once you take a piece of equipment & install it in the field you have just introduced it to a host of variables that could never be compensated for in a lab.

Don't you think that makes the rating game just a little deceptive?

[davidr]

Originally posted by jultzya


So if the 80-95% outout is not true Btus into the envolope, WHERE is it going?

It is usually eaten up by duct losses & underfiring of gas appliances.

The typical HVAC system is only producing 50% to 60% of it's rated capacity into the building envelope,all due to issues external to the equipment.

I believe the issue made is making with 90% vs 80% has to do with 2 stage 90% equipment in low fire,am I correct in my assumption made?

[Irascible]

Originally posted by davidr
Don't you think that makes the rating game just a little deceptive?

For the purposes of comparing one machine to another, no.